Hosting Christian Carnival #376 on April 20

I’ve been granted the honor of hosting the April 20 Christian Carnival.  Click on the hyper-linked words in the previous sentence for submission guidelines (and see below).  You can submit blog posts here, here or hereSubscribe to the Carnival to get notified of weekly carnivals.  Browse the archives (includes a bit of the history of the Carnival).  “Like” and share Christian Carnival on Facebook! :)

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This week’s Christian Carnival is posted

Christian Carnival #375 at Jevlir Caravansary.  This carnival features my Craig v Harris debate post mortem, audio and video, as well as my God (is) the Golden Rule (ought) without offending Hume.

I’ll be hosting the next carnival.  Here is my call for submissions.

Also check out this list of posts at Christian Apologetics Alliance.  Apologetics bloggers are all getting together on this site and I just joined the team.  So awesome.

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God (is) the Golden Rule (ought) without offending Hume

Would very much appreciate some feedback on this.  I have tried to put all of it in my own words without referring to influential sources. 

Clearly some of it needs more reasons (like the GR’s presence in every major culture/religion, how the GR resolves practical ethical dilemmas, the evidence for Jesus’ death/resurrection, biblical basis, et cetera), but the following is just a summary.  If given the time and opportunity, I’d expand upon it.  Any thoughts on the following?…

Every major culture/religion hungers for the answer to the question of Ethics, and only one of the answers, the Golden Rule, is found in every major culture/religion.  The universal presence of that answer does not justify it, but the universal hunger for an answer does suggest there is something to satisfy that hunger.  The question, or hunger, of Ethics can be phrased “How and why should we be or behave with the Other/self?”  Coming late on the scene, all of the theories in Ethics besides the Golden Rule focus on only 1) how we should ‘be’ (character or virtue theories), 2) what we should ‘do’ (conduct or duty theories), or 3) the ‘end’ (consequentialist, teleological theories), and they run into difficulties when it comes to whether self or Other should take priority.  In contrast, the Golden Rule answers the question by describing the ‘end’ of what we should ‘do’ and how we should ‘be’ (be=do=end) as treating the Other as self (self=Other), as not merely recognizing a sameness between self and Other, but acknowledging that sameness in our behavior with self/Other.  So the Golden Rule is the only theory in Ethics which completely answers the question, the only one which has the most justification to be believed and lived.

But in order to be objectively real, it cannot be purely theoretical—it must also correspond to reality—there must be a real being whose nature and behavior (including commands) is described by the Golden Rule.  Justification is about having good reasons to believe something is true, to believe that it corresponds to reality.  However, just because we are justified in believing something is true does not necessarily mean it ‘is’ true, otherwise we would never know what it is like to be wrong.  So the fact that the Golden Rule is the most justified theory in Ethics does not prove its correspondence to reality, for that would commit the reverse of Hume’s is-ought (the ought-is) fallacy.  The Golden Rule is true only if it actually corresponds to real being, and regardless how good or bad our reasons. 

On the flip-side of the same coin, the mere existence (or assumed existence) of this being cannot justify the Golden Rule, for that would commit the is-ought fallacy.  Just because we believe something that is true (or is at least assumed to be true), does not mean we have good reasons for believing—we could be right by accident.  Fortunately there are at least two good, strong reasons which justify believing the Golden Rule not only completely answers the question of Ethics, but also corresponds (is true) to real being:  1) as already mentioned, we have a universal hunger for the answer to the question of Ethics, and 2) there is evidence of the being which the answer describes, to which the answer corresponds. 

First, universal physical hunger indicates that food existed long enough for us to evolve that hunger for it—likewise, universal spiritual hunger for true meaning (acknowledged even by the self-proclaimed Four Horsemen) suggests there is an actual being described by self=Other.  Second, there is evidence, internal and external to the biblical record, of Jesus’ substitutionary sacrifice as the ultimate demonstration of Golden Rule love, and of his divine resurrection.  So we are justified in believing in a being described by the Golden Rule because 1) it satisfies the hunger (answers the question) of Ethics, both 2) theoretically (be=do=end, self=Other) and 3) practically, by way of ultimate demonstration (for love is not love without demonstration) (aka revelation).  If we are not wrong about any of those reasons and such a being actually exists, we don’t merely justifiably believe, we correspondently know, for knowledge (as Plato affirmed long ago) is belief that is both 1) justified (in that the evidence obligates us to believe something corresponds to reality, whether or not it does), and 2) true (in that something corresponds to reality whether or not we have good reasons to believe it does).

All of the above A) resolves Euthyphro’s (and another unnamed) dilemma between natural law and divine command/revelation [because 1) God commands/reveals in accordance with his good nature, and 2) we can know the Golden Rule through reason and intuition only if it corresponds in order to be known—the dilemma this resolves ought to have a name if it doesn’t alreadyworking on it], B) affirms Hume’s is-ought distinction rather than defying or dismissing it (and without dissolving into skepticism), and C) dismantles Gettier’s problem while affirming its underlying intuition (more on that here http://ichthus77.blogspot.com/2011/01/answering-gettier.html), preserving Plato’s justified-true-belief definition of knowledge.

Discussed here on Facebook.

Also see: The Golden Rule (self=Other) and God

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New Facebook page for Christian Carnival, widget fully updated

There is a new Facebook page for Christian Carnival, and the widget is fully updated. 

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William Lane Craig v. Sam Harris will indeed be streamed live! :)

This just in regarding the Craig-Harris debate at Notre Dame this Thursday, surrounding the issue “Is the foundation of morality natural or supernatural?”—the long-awaited live-streaming link…

“I’m sorry it’s taken me so long to get back to you with an answer about online availability. I got it myself this afternoon. There will be a live stream on http://www.ndtv.net/. On the day of the debate, Thursday April 7 at 7:00, the home page of http://www.ndtv.net/ will be replaced with the live stream. I hope you enjoy it.”

Joe Stanfiel

Joseph Stanfiel, PhD
Assistant Dean
College of Arts & Letters
Office for Undergraduate Studies
University of Notre Dame

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Thankyou, Joe Stanfiel!!! :)

Will William Lane Craig be using David Hume’s is-ought fallacy, and Sam Harris’ appreciation of correspondence theory, to question Harris on what his real ought corresponds to in reality? Find out at http://www.ndtv.net/ this Thursday at 7pm EST.

Open letter to William Lane Craig regarding April 7 debate with Sam Harris.
A great preview of the debate over at Wintery Knight.

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Faith in Philosophy: Philosophers’ Carnival #123

Faith in Philosophy: Philosophers’ Carnival #123

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Posted this in reply:

Just curious if you reviewed this submission, and why you thought not to include it:

http://ichthus77.blogspot.com/2011/03/natural-law-divine-command-and.html

Good carnival, nonetheless. Thanks.

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Received email:

Hi Maryann,

…I did review the submission you mention. It’s an important topic of course, but it also covered a lot of ground in a very short time, and I had a little trouble getting clear about what the argument was. I’m sure that this is due to my not being a very good reader, and also being pressed for time (term paper season!). (I’m going to remove your comment since I’m addressing your question in this message.) In any case, best wishes and happy spring.

-Matt

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*sigh*

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Open letter to William Lane Craig regarding April 7 debate with Sam Harris

[ Reposting from Friday. ]

I know you are a seasoned apologist but wondered if you will be using Hume’s is-ought fallacy, and Harris’ appreciation of correspondence theory, to question Harris on what his real ought corresponds to in reality, since humans are imperfect.

Here are a couple links that explain the connection between Hume’s is-ought and Plato’s justified-true, and another one resolving the Euthyphro Dilemma:
1. Hume’s is-ought, Plato’s true-justified, Euthyphro’s dilemma and Gettier’s problem
2. Is-ought fallacy and justified, true belief
3. Natural law, divine command and Euthyphro’s dilemma resolved (using Hume’s is-ought distinction)

Here is a Philosophers’ Carnival I did on Harris’ Landscape when it was released back in October:
Philosophers’ Carnival CXV

Here are two links to where I show that the Golden Rule encompasses all the major theories in Ethics: Moral Truth Litmus and Appendix G:  Synthesizing Golden Rule Variations and Competing Ethical Theories.  In sum, how we should ‘be’ (virtue theory), what we should ‘do’ (conduct theory), the ultimate ‘end’ (consequentialism) is Golden Rule love: treat the Other as self (self=Other).

I have many more related articles and of course can explain my thoughts if you have any questions. I just bought a couple of your books (saw your debate with Dawkins) so, not having read them yet, I don’t know if you already know all of this. You are probably bombarded by many, many messages like this one.  But, if you have time, any feedback you offer would be sincerely appreciated.

So looking forward to the debate. Do you know of a live-streaming link in advance? I haven’t been able to find one. Blessings! :)

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William Lane Craig v Lawrence Krauss debate audio, post-mortem

Debate audio: http://apologetics315.blogspot.com/2011/03/william-lane-craig-vs-lawrence-krauss.html?spref=fb

A brief post-mortem from Craig: http://www.facebook.com/notes/reasonable-faith/a-brief-post-mortem/144625275604375

This just happened last night and I haven’t had a chance to listen as my computer wouldn’t let me.  So I’m going to try the audio tonight–just downloaded.

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Natural law, divine command and Euthyphro’s dilemma resolved

…using Hume’s is-ought distinction’s mirror concept, the ought-is distinction***.

Euthyphro’s dilemma“Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious?  Or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?”  This can be reworded to read “Is the good commanded by God because it is good?  Or is it good because it is commanded by God?”  The first question addresses theistic natural law theory, and the second question addresses divine command theory.

Natural law theory: “Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious?”  God commands whatever is good despite his commanding it. Because this good (which anyone can justify using reason) does not correspond to perfect being, it commits the ought-is fallacy. According to this theory, good is over God.

Divine command theory: “Or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?”  Good is whatever God commands. Because this good does not correspond to perfect being and God makes it up, it also commits the ought-is fallacy. If you say that “God’s commands are good because God exists” you commit the is-ought fallacy. According to this theory, God is over good.

Synthesis: God commands in accordance with His good nature/essence. Good is good despite God’s command and anyone can reason to it, but it corresponds to perfect being (God). For the sake of argument, if no God exists, all good-concepts correspond to nothing and commit the ought-is fallacy, and using this synthesis to argue for good’s or God’s existence commits the ought-is fallacy. Again, if you say that “Good is good because God exists” you commit the is-ought fallacy. According to this synthesis, God is good.

At the bottom of this relevant link are more relevant links going into more detail without using the words “natural law” or “divine command”.

***Hume’s is-ought (existence-justification) distinction says you cannot use the existence of the status quo (the way things are) to justify (belief in) the status quo—1) just because we have a natural inclination to act a certain way does not mean it is a good thing to do, and 2) just because the sun rises and sets every morning does not mean we have a good theory about sunrises and sunsets (we may believe the sun revolves around the earth!). Flipped around, the ought-is (justification-existence) distinction says you cannot say something (good, God, or anything else) exists just because its existence is justified (iow, just because you have reasons to believe, or to want to believe, it exists)—sometimes we are wrong about something even though we have good reasons to think we are right. This is true about things we do, and about things we ‘think’ we know.

In order to avoid the is-ought/ought-is problem, our belief (about good, God or anything else) must both be justified and correspond to reality.

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Just Love

When people say “God is both love and just” (usually when hell, or predestination vs. free will, is the topic) they make love and forgiveness look unjust, and they make justice look unloving and unforgiving. But true love is just, and true justice is loving—they really are synonymous.  This is on my mind as I read White’s “The Potter’s Freedom” (2000) and compare it to Geisler’s “Chosen but Free” (2001).  I’m also debating whether or not to add Rob Bell’s “Love Wins” to my long list of to-reads after just seeing him defend himself against the charge of universalism in his interview with Martin Bashir on MSNBC.

Jesus’ sacrifice, foreshadowed by the Old Testament sacrificial system, fully demonstrated that God forgives us and loves us despite our sins. We are not saved by good works or lost by works of sin.

Hell is the just-love consequence of our ultimately rejecting God’s unconditional love (grace), fully revealed in Jesus’ sacrifice. Without the alternative of hell, one is unjustly ‘forced’ to accept a loving relationship with God in Christ, but love (if just) must be a choice, there must be an alternative—hence, the just-love alternative of hell.

Only those who choose hell will know it, by knowingly rejecting God’s unconditional drawing through Christ’s demonstration and all that foreshadowed and foretold it and tells it still. Such rejection no more challenges God’s sovereignty than does any other sin—God knows and sustains the whole thing from beginning to end, including all of our free choices.

Acceptance of his unconditional love no more makes us our own saviors than would our acceptance of the rescuing, active, personal hand held out to save us from drowning. We can save someone without putting any conditions on them before we will save them, but they still have to want to be saved, and so God draws us to a point where we recognize we are drowning and that he can save us, but we must have the choice (he knows we will make, and which he sustains from eternity) to accept or reject his sovereign hand.  If the choice is not ours, just-love is not possible.

Rather than randomly picking whom to “love” and whom to reject, we are to love ALL (even our enemies) justly, treating everyone as we would like to be treated, just as Christ did by example for believers while we were yet enemies of him, as well as for nonbelievers who knowingly choose the just-love alternative of hell.  If he didn’t do that for them, if he doesn’t give them “equal opportunity” to accept or reject his unconditional love, then there is no alternative other than hell for them, which means they didn’t choose it and that they were (or will be) sent there unjustly, unlovingly, completely randomly (and that believers likewise will go to heaven unjustly, unlovingly, completely randomly)…and such a “God” is not good, is unworthy of the title.

Thank God he unconditionally loves everyone, died for everyone and draws everyone, or else does not hold responsible.  [Note that this is not universalism, for he respects and sustains from eternity each individual’s acceptance/rejection.]  ‘That’ (besides sustaining) is the example we have to follow.  Just love.

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