Central Valley location of first CAA chapter

Have you heard of Christian Apologetics Alliance (CAA) yet? CAA is a recently formed group of Christian bloggers started by Scott Rachui (The Christian Worldview) and Chris Reese (Cloud of Witnesses). The Central Valley is the location of CAA’s first local chapter.

Dedicated to sharing their faith in Jesus Christ by engaging others on a wide range of subjects related to apologetic and theological principles, the goal of CAA is to demonstrate that faith is based in evidence and reason. With this in mind they are collecting together the various blogs published by their membership, which continues to grow.

CAA will provide a list of these blogs and will share the latest posts from each of them** in a weekly round-up on the CAA blog. They have a Facebook fan page which is open to any sort of apologetics-related question one could ask as well as a private Facebook group which provides a Gospel-centered on-line community where apologetics-minded Christians from a variety of denominations and stances (on Calvinism, evolution, etc.) can collaborate on events, share resources, provide constructive criticism and joke around. You can also follow CAA on Twitter.

A few local CAA members are beginning a Central Valley Chapter, including Brian Vallotton, Dr. Kenny Rhodes (Scofield Seminary, sermon podcast, Reason for Hope podcast, sermonaudio.com sermons), Peter Sean Bradley (Lex Communis), Jonathan Deundian (Defeating Defeaters), Mikel del Rosario (Apologetics Guy), Dave Brown (the philosoraptor) and myself (Ichthus77).

All local apologists, whether in training or seasoned, are invited to join CAA Central Valley Chapter to organize apologetics events in local churches and gather to attend more distant events, like the upcoming EPS conference in Berkley.

To join CAA, send email to caaliance@gmail.com. Once a member of CAA, contact ichthus77@hotmail.com to join CAA Central Valley Chapter.

Featured resource: How to get apologetics in your church

**the preceding adapted from the CAA website.

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I will return to this every morning until I become it.

Let my heart be your dwelling place
Indwell me, dwell in my heart
Let me find my acceptance in you
and share your acceptance with others
We cannot deserve or earn what we already have
Especially when at an impasse–
Let my will be your will
Let my happiness be your happiness
Let me treat others as you (Matthew 25:40)

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New Christian Carnival is…

here! :)  Features my latest ‘deconstruction‘ of Sam Harris’ “objective moral truth”.

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Why Sam Harris’ "objective moral truth" hovers over an abyss…

Let x be any concept that refers.  See Jime’s comment here for background on Sam Harris’ use of the word “objective”.

P1:  Every possible meaning of x is subject to change unless there is a being to which an unchanging definition of x corresponds.

P2:  If every possible meaning of x is subject to change, x lacks meaning that is not subject to change.

P3:  If x lacks meaning that is not subject to change, x has no objective meaning.

***

Let “GPWB” be Sam Harris’ concept of objective moral truth (Greatest Possible Well Being).

P1a: Every possible meaning of GPWB is subject to change unless there is a being to which an unchanging definition of GPWB corresponds.

P1b: Harris denies the existence of a perfectly good/well being to which GPWB corresponds.

P1c: [P1a, P1b.]  Every possible meaning of GPWB is subject to change.

P2a: If every possible meaning of GPWB is subject to change, GPWB lacks meaning that is not subject to change.

P2b:  [P1c, P2a.]  GPWB lacks meaning that is not subject to change.

P3:  If GPWB lacks meaning that is not subject to change, GPWB has no objective meaning.

C:  [P2b, P3.]  GPWB has no objective meaning.

***

This post also appeared on Examiner.com.

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New Christian Carnival is…

here.  My Facebook poll on the grounding for objective moral truth is featured.

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New Philosophers’ Carnival is…

here.  It features my book discussion of Christopher Norris’ Epistemology.

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Norris’ Epistemology book discussion.

Christopher Norris

The following has all been moved from here.

Norris’ Epistemology; starting point, updates 

Norris’ “Epistemology” Intro. I

Norris’ “Epistemology” Intro. II
Norris’ “Epistemology” Intro. III
Norris’ “Epistemology” Intro. IV

Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch1.I
Norris’ Epistemology Ch1.II-III

Norris’ Epistemology Ch2.I
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch2.II
Norris’ “Epistemology Ch2.III
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch2.IV

Norris’ Epistemology Ch3.I
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch3.II / Part 1: Duhem
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch3.II / Part 2: Koyré
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch3.III
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch3.IV / Part 1: Bachelard
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch3.IV2-V: Derrida

Norris’ Epistemology, Ch4.I-II
Norris’ Epistemology, Ch4.III
Norris’ Epistemology, Ch4.IV
Norris’ Epistemology Ch4.V-VI

Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.I
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.II
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.III
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.IV
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.V
Norris’ “Epistemology” Ch5.VI

Norris’ “Epistemology” Postscript I
Norris’ “Epistemology” Postscript II

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Craig v Harris debate post mortem, audio, video and transcript

First, here is the audio, part 1 of 9 video and the transcript (thanks to MandM) of The God Debate II between Craig and Harris answering the question “Is the foundation of morality natural or supernatural?”  Second, here is my open letter to Craig regarding this debate (when it was still ‘upcoming’).

I had a few thoughts.  Tell me yours.

Craig’s argument:
1.  If God exists, we have a sound foundation for moral values.
2.  If he doesn’t, we don’t.
(more below)

Harris argument:
Not quite as clear, see below.

Points in Craig’s favor:

  • Notes the agreement between Craig and Harris in objective moral values.
  • Notes he is not arguing God’s existence–his argument would be true even if God doesn’t exist.
  • Notes that, if he exists, God is a morally perfect being in which objective morality could be grounded.
  • Notes that “love your neighbor as yourself” and other commands are grounded in God’s loving nature.
  • Notes that nature is morally neutral.
  • Speaks in favor of evolution.
  • Grants science can tell us much about human flourishing (could have thrown in ‘valuing’).
  • Points out science can only tell us how things are (how we ‘do’ value), not how they ought to be (how we ‘ought’ to value)–could have pointed out that even if science (or Harris’ “scientific thinking” … better known as philosophy) could arrive at a real ought–to what would it correspond?
  • Harps on Harris’ denial of free will and moral responsibility (ought implies can)(I also made that observation in a Philosophers’ Carnival I hosted focused on Harris’ Moral Landscape), though it would have been an excellent tie-in with Harris’ attacks on hell (necessary if loving God is to be a choice).
  • Gives good review of debate.
  • Distinguishes moral ontology/semantics.
  • Avoids (anticipates) the distraction of Harris’ attacks on theism by pointing out it is irrelevant to the debate and referring to Copan’s “Is God a Moral Monster?”
  • Distinguishes between universality and objectivity.
  • Grants well-being is good, but redirects back to the point:  if no God, how is it objectively good?
  • Quotes Harris on psychopathy and well-being, so that Harris’ moral landscape is nonmoral.  (I also made that observation in a Philosophers’ Carnival I hosted focused on Harris’ Moral Landscape.)
  • No moral obligation in absence of God (“Says who?”)–better would be “no moral motivation, because no unconditionally loving God”.
  • Calls Harris out on some key fallacies, misrepresentations, et cetera.
  • Refers people to Reasonable Faith, professors, etc., regarding problem of evil and unevangelized.
  • Points out the problem of evil implies God exists (though doesn’t say evil is the privation of good)–except he comes off sounding circular, since the debate is about whether or not God is the foundation of objective morality (does cover a bit by asking what the foundation is for atheist morality).
  • Agrees w/ Harris Taliban is wrong and not hearing from God.
  • Points out Harris just redefines good to be well-being, but does not define (justify) the sort of goodness that God is (granted, the debate is about ontology, not epistemology/justification)–Harris calls him on this.  I would have spent more time explaining self=Other and its correspondence to God.
  • When Harris says “We can speak objectively about a certain class of subjective facts that go by the name of morality,” Craig appropriately asks “Is the wrongness of an action a subjective fact?”

Points against Craig:

  • Emphasizes fear-based obligation (fear of authority), though he corrects that a bit by saying we are not motivated by avoiding hell, but instead by God being the supreme good to be desired for its own sake, where the fulfillment of human existence is to be found.”
  • Doesn’t ask to what Harris’ objective ought corresponds, since no one is perfectly happy.  The worst possible misery means nothing if the greatest possible well being doesn’t actually correspond….because evil is the privation of (real) good.  Craig should have harped on this.
  • His quote of Dawkins is out-dated–he now agrees with Harris (I may be incorrect, see Jime’s comment below).
  • Uses the word “stupid” (in a debate ‘about’ morality, to attack Harris’ use of the word ‘psycopath’ relative to some religious people, though Harris ‘did’ weasel out of naming names).
  • Voice gets inappropriately loud, provoking laughter (after “The less moral framework….”).
  • Didn’t appropriately respond to Harris’ arguments on facts and values.
  • Reduces well-being to pleasure.
  • Focuses on “no obligation if no law-giver” w/o reiterating the law-giving corresponds to his nature.
  • In Harris’ showing that Craig’s assertion that God is good is equivalent to Harris’ claim that well-being is good, he grants that Craig is correct in his objection (and so Harris is as wrong as Craig).
  • Never counters Harris’ pitting of faith against science.
  • (4/8/11: Harris refers to ‘sectarianism’ (which would include Christianity) and says there is a ‘deeper principle’ that escapes sectarianism–Craig does not counter this, but could have in pointing out the Golden Rule’s presence in all major religions/cultures, not just in the OT/NT. Anticipating Harris’ counter that if it is present in other cultures, we don’t need God to know it, Craig can reiterate that we can know it without knowing its foundation, but it cannot exist to be known, without corresponding to God.)

Points in Harris’ favor:

  • Funny.
  • Attacks God’s character as being immoral/impotent rather than loving (the problem of evil, hell, unevangelized).  This is in his favor because, though Craig is not arguing for God’s existence or goodness, it is relevant to the overall question of whether or not objective morality is grounded in God.  However, many of these attacks are straw men.
  • Says atheists can be very spiritual and fulfilled w/o making unjustified claims.
  • No morality w/o consciousness.
  • Well-being is not merely about pleasure/pain.
  • Science can tell us about human well-being (true, as far as “is”…cannot leap to “ought”).
  • “We can speak objectively about a certain class of subjective facts that go by the name of morality,” (however Craig asks “Is the wrongness of an action a subjective fact?” so also a point against).
  • Analogy of “health” (especially mental health).  But consider these quotes:  “The concept of “well-being,” just like the concept of ‘health,’ is truly open for revision and discovery. Just how fulfilled is it possible for us to be, personally and collectively? What are the conditions—ranging from changes in the genome to changes in economic systems—that will produce such happiness? We simply do not know,” (p. 34). “…science can resolve specific questions about morality and human values, even while our conception of ‘well-being’ evolves,” (p. 37).
  • Shows Craig’s assertion that God is good is equivalent to Harris’ claim that well-being is good…however, this is also a point against Harris.
  • Like the various sciences value logic and evidence, the science of morality values avoiding the worst possible misery.
  • Pits science against faith (“right by accident”) and Craig never counters this.
  • Appeals to moral indignation of audience in attacking religious atrocities (fallacy, or skill of persuasion?…could be asked of many of the points in his favor).
  • Captures imagination of audience with the “What if Islam is true” imagining, then flipping it to Christianity.
  • (4/8/11:  Harris refers to ‘sectarianism’ (which would include Christianity) and says there is a ‘deeper principle’ that escapes sectarianism–Craig does not counter this, but could have in pointing out the Golden Rule’s presence in all major religions/cultures, not just in the OT/NT.  Anticipating Harris’ counter that if it is present in other cultures, we don’t need God to know it, Craig can reiterate that we can know it without knowing its foundation, but it cannot exist to be known, without corresponding to God.)

Points against Harris:

  • Does not respond to Craig’s objections.  Red herrings (like saying the evidence for God’s existence is ‘bad evidence’) and straw men (that “Christian morality” is not the sort that anyone can discover) abound.
  • Preaches to the choir regarding objective morality (and the possibility of being wrong about it), rather than graciously granting it as a point of agreement (in a debate ‘about’ morality).
  • Fails to note Craig’s argument that God’s commands must be in accordance with his loving character, rather than being arbitrary.
  • Takes Craig’s comment about Harris focusing on the well-being of sentient creatures out of context–Craig obviously did not mean that was a ‘bad’ thing.  The “one wonders” comment was low.
  • Says not to trust Craig’s quotes of him in The Moral Landscape, but didn’t say which ones were inaccurate.  The only inaccurate (because out-dated) one I saw was the Dawkins quote (I may be incorrect, though–see Jime’s comment below).  Here is Craig’s response posted on Reasonable Faith’s FB page.
  • The worst possible misery means nothing if the greatest possible well being doesn’t actually correspond….because evil is the privation of (real) good.
  • Talking about logic and evidence does not take care of the is-ought/fact-value distinction (which is just as important as logic and evidence).
  • So what if Dr. Craig is not offering an alternative view of morality?  The debate is about the grounding of ‘any’ view of morality.
  • Tries to say Christianity affirms Harris’ view of morality being about well-being (making it look more basic), but fails to ground it.
  • Criticizes being saved by grace because he thinks people should be held accountable (while arguing against hell…and free will/moral responsibility, in his book).
  • “God is mysterious” is a straw man.  Craig never uses it as an argument.
  • Comments using the word “psychopathic” (lunatics, et cetera) verge on ad hominem (in a debate ‘about’ morality).
  • Talking about the horrific practices of religious ‘people’ says nothing about God.
  • In Harris’ showing that Craig’s assertion that God is good is equivalent to Harris’ claim that well-being is good, he grants that Craig is correct in his objection (and so Harris is as wrong as Craig).
  • Disses the ancients’ contribution to the discussion because they lacked technology.

***

That being said, Harris definitely used this debate to his view’s advantage. His priority is to replace God–natural morality is merely his means, so he didn’t focus on its foundation as much as he focused on attacking theism.  Unfortunately there was too little time for Craig to answer all those attacks, and his assertion that “even if God didn’t exist, my assertions would be true” didn’t cover for that.  I’m sure Harris views the debate as a success (at least the successful spread of his memes), though he provided ‘no’ ground for his morality (to what ‘well’ being does it always correspond?–too bad Craig never asked that question).

Open letter to William Lane Craig regarding April 7 debate with Sam Harris

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Blog Discussion and Sermon Ideas for Tim Keller’s "The Reason for God"

I have moved everything from here (on my forum) to here (on the blog you are currently reading).

Below is an online book discussion of Tim Keller’s The Reason for God, originally posted at ILovePhilosophy.com, followed by some ideas I submitted to Redeemer Modesto’s sermon group.  Those ideas turned into an actual sermon series, and links to each sermon are provided.

Blog Discussion

RFG Intro: Best of Left and Right; Doubting Doubts
https://ichthus77.com/2008/10/27/rfg-intro-best-of-left-and-right-doubting-doubts

RFG 1: There Can’t Be Just One True Religion
https://ichthus77.com/2008/11/25/rfg-1-there-cant-be-just-one-true-religion/

RFG 2: How Could a Good God Allow Suffering?
https://ichthus77.com/2008/12/02/rfg-2-how-could-a-good-god-allow-suffering

RFG 3: Christianity is a Straightjacket
https://ichthus77.com/2008/12/09/rfg-3-christianity-is-a-straightjacket

RFG 4: The Church Is Responsible for So Much Injustice
https://ichthus77.com/2008/12/16/rfg-4-the-church-is-responsible-for-so-much-injustice

RFG 5: How Can a Loving God Send People to Hell?
https://ichthus77.com/2008/12/23/rfg-5-how-can-a-loving-god-send-people-to-hell

RFG 6: Has Science Disproved Christianity?
https://ichthus77.com/2008/12/30/rfg-6-has-science-disproved-christianity

RFG 7: You Can’t Take the Bible Literally & Intermission
https://ichthus77.com/2009/01/06/rfg-7-you-cant-take-the-bible-literally-intermission

RFG 8: The Clues of God
https://ichthus77.com/2009/01/13/rfg-8-the-clues-of-god

RFG 9: The Knowledge of God
https://ichthus77.com/2009/01/20/rfg-9-the-knowledge-of-god

RFG 10: The Problem of Sin
https://ichthus77.com/2009/01/27/rfg-10-the-problem-of-sin

RFG 11: Religion and the Gospel
https://ichthus77.com/2009/02/03/rfg-11-religion-and-the-gospel

RFG 12: The (True) Story of the Cross
https://ichthus77.com/2009/02/03/rfg-12-the-true-story-of-the-cross

RFG 13: The Reality of the Resurrection
https://ichthus77.com/2009/02/09/rfg-13-the-reality-of-the-resurrection

RFG 14: The Dance of God & Epilogue: Where Do We Go from Here?
https://ichthus77.com/2009/02/09/rfg-14-the-dance-of-god-epilogue-where-do-we-go-from-here

RFG Summary
https://ichthus77.com/2009/03/14/rfg-summary

Sermon Series Ideas

Actual sermon series: http://redeemermodesto.com/sermons/?category=Seeking+the+Truth

RFG sermon series ideas: The Truth–Why?
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-the-truth-why

RFG sermon series ideas: Speak the Truth in Love
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-speak-the-truth-in-love

RFG sermon series ideas: Faith, Reason and the Clues of God
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-faith-reason-and-the-clues-of-god

RFG sermon series ideas: The Problem
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-the-problem

RFG sermon series ideas: Let’s Dance
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-lets-dance

RFG sermon series ideas: The Solution
https://ichthus77.com/2009/08/19/rfg-sermon-series-ideas-the-solution

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Questions regarding first chapter of Craig’s "Reasonable Faith"

I want to start by saying I’m a huge fan of William Lane Craig and recently met him at a fairly local Reasonable Faith conference. I had almost finished reading On Guard when the conference began and have since completed On Guard and begun reading his signature book, Reasonable Faith. I love this quote from the introduction to Reasonable Faith: “Like a missionary called to reach some obscure people group, the Christian apologist is burdened to reach that minority of persons who will respond to rational argument and evidence.” However, I am not one to accept everything I read without critical examination, so…

These are some thoughts and questions I have regarding the first chapter of Dr. Craig’s “Reasonable Faith”. The chapter is titled “How Do I Know Christianity Is True?” and my questions are mainly regarding the idea of “dual warrant”.

One thing I like about this chapter is that it helped me understand that the testimony of the Holy Spirit functions like the innocent person’s experience of their alibi. It is true even if we cannot show it to be true. This protects it from “theological rationalism” or “evidentialism” which (Dr. Craig and Dr. Plantinga assert) only counts propositions that are self-evident or incorrigible as properly basic, and requires evidence (other than indubitable self-evidence) for all other propositions. If theological rationalism or evidentialism were true, then (according to Dr. Craig and Dr. Plantinga) someone intellectually incapable of a complete apologetic would be incapable of a relationship with God (or, for that matter, their mother, though they didn’t say it).

In a YouTube interview, Dr. Craig accepts that someone can come to believe/know God exists either through 1) experiencing the testimony of the Holy Spirit, or through 2) nonexperiential means (evidence, rational argument, etc.). However, on page 48 of Reasonable Faith, he says, “a sound apologetic…reinforces or confirms…the Spirit’s witness, but it does not serve as the basis of…belief” and on page 58 he says, “they trusted the Holy Spirit to use their arguments to bring people to God”. Since knowledge is justified/warranted, true belief, then if a sound apologetic cannot serve as a basis of belief, it cannot serve as a basis of knowing, either. And Dr. Craig seems to say that nonexperiential evidence does not lead to knowledge, that only the testimony of the Holy Spirit leads to knowledge, when he says there is a difference between how we ‘know’ (through the testimony of the Holy Spirit) and how we ‘show’ (through nonexperiential means like evidence, rational argument, etc.). But Dr. Craig should choose either, 1) we ‘can’ believe/know God exists through nonexperiential means (as he says in the YouTube interview), or 2) we ‘cannot’ believe/know God exists through nonexperiential means (as he says in Reasonable Faith). Perhaps he ‘has’ chosen the first one and has not had the chance to revise Reasonable Faith? Or perhaps he has just not thoroughly thought about it, because on pages 58-59 he writes, “we know confidently and without embarrassment that our faith is true, as can the unbeliever as well”. But the unbeliever does not know based on the testimony of the Holy Spirit, so is Dr. Craig saying we, too, can know without the testimony of the Holy Spirit?

I completely agree that a “personal experience” type of knowledge cannot be “shown” to others because they cannot share our experience. Instead we must use nonexperiential means (which Dr. Craig thinks of as another source of warrant) of showing that what we know by experience (which Dr. Craig considers the first source of warrant) is also true independent of experience. So in order to show it is true, we must not only know it is true by experience (first source of warrant), we must know it is true via the use of those other means (another source of warrant). Dr. Craig calls this “dual warrant” or being “doubly warranted”. This ‘first source of warrant’ does not reduce to subjective truth. For example, we know from experience (first source of warrant) that we did not commit a crime for which we are on trial. But in order to show we are ‘objectively’ innocent, we must provide actual arguments and evidence (another source of warrant) that are accessible to others who do not share our experience. Our first source of warrant will not suffice to ‘show’ the truth, but we will keep ‘know’ing we are truly innocent even if we cannot provide another source of warrant. I disagree w/ the idea of having “dual warrant” but must lead up to this…

As Dr. Craig does not distinguish (instead draws a parallel) between the experience of one’s own alibi, and the experience of the testimony of the Holy Spirit, and does not argue we have ‘triple’ warrant [1) experience of the testimony of the Holy Spirit, 2) experience not involving the testimony of the Holy Spirit…say, Calvin’s sensus divinitatus, 3) nonexperiential evidence substantiating one’s experience in ‘1’ or ‘2’], the following paragraph is written under the assumption that the testimony of the Holy Spirit is considered something we experience, so that the truths to which the Holy Spirit testifies are truths we come to know by experience of the Holy Spirit’s testimony.

One thing I disagree with in this chapter is that the evidence of our own experience (for example, of innocence during a court trial) is not lumped in with the nonexperiential evidence that is accessible to others. Evidence is evidence. Experiential evidence may not be evidence for ‘others’ but it is still evidence (for ‘us’). I like the idea that belief in God’s existence is properly basic since, for example, we behave as if (we know/experience intuitively) there are moral absolutes, even though not all of us know (intellectually) the God that grounds them. That intuitive knowing is a properly basic belief that is ‘warranted’/justified even if the intellectual defense is never given. But I would disagree that the intuitive warrant/justification and the intellectual warrant/justification, taken together, make the belief “doubly warranted”—instead, they both contribute to the warrant/justification. If we can have “dual warrant” because we have both experiential and nonexperiential types of evidence, then why stop at the division between experiential/nonexperiential, why stop at ‘dual’? (Only half-rhetorical.) No, if belief is warranted/justified, it is warranted/justified by all the different types of available evidence, no matter how you categorize them—and experiential evidence (in this case, of the Holy Spirit’s testimony) is just one of them, rather than being on an entirely different level from the rest. I was thinking that perhaps 1) distinguishing between experiencing the Holy Spirit, and other evidence, and 2) giving priority to experiencing the Holy Spirit, are both owed to the belief that those who do not believe the witness of the Holy Spirit (first source of warrant/justification) will never believe ‘other’ evidences for the Christian faith (considered another source of warrant/justification)? But Dr. Craig says that one benefit of having this “dual warrant” is that “the availability of independent warrant for Christian truth claims apart from the Spirit’s witness could help predispose an unbeliever to respond to the drawing of the Holy Spirit when he hears the gospel.” So clearly Dr. Craig does not think that an unbeliever will only accept “independent warrant” ‘after’ accepting the Spirit’s witness.

Knowledge is justified/warranted, true belief. But Dr. Craig says that Plantinga said that it is not enough to say (says, said, say, haha) that the belief is justified/warranted, it must also be formed/held by properly functioning (as God designed them to) cognitive faculties. This just seems to push the question further back—how do we know the faculties are properly functioning (as God designed them to)? (See link below.) I like that Plantinga (says Dr. Craig) sees that a properly basic belief, like “God exists” can still have arguments brought against it (it is defeasible, falsifiable), like the problem of evil. I also like that he points out that, just as our experience of our alibi defeats all the defeaters (arguments of the prosecution), our experience of the testimony of the Holy Spirit defeats all the defeaters (arguments of skeptics/atheists)—but only for ourselves. In order to defeat all the defeaters for ‘others’ (Plantinga agrees), we must use nonexperiential means of defeating defeaters (like the Free Will Defense). Where I disagree with Plantinga (via Dr. Craig: “this belief is so warranted that such a person can be said to know that God exists” p. 41) is that our belief in the truths of Christianity is ‘so’ warranted by our experience of the testimony of the Holy Spirit as to constitute knowledge (regardless of all defeaters) because knowledge does not merely depend on warrant/justification, it also requires correspondence/truth. I would also object to the idea that the more firmly we believe something, the more that belief is warranted/justified knowledge (“The more firmly such a person holds the belief in question, the more warrant it has for him, and if he believes it firmly enough, it has sufficient warrant to constitute knowledge” p. 42)—rather, the better our reasons, the more firmly we will believe, and if our belief corresponds to reality (is true), then our believing is also knowing (even for demons, who know God exists while rejecting him). All else is wishful thinking. Also, Dr. Craig reflects the belief that knowledge requires certainty when he says, “even if we can only show Christianity to be probably true, nevertheless we can on the basis of the Spirit’s witness know Christianity to be true” (p. 56) but knowledge only requires that our belief is justified and true—it does not require our belief is ‘certain’. I’m guessing the other problems in this paragraph can all be solved by answering Gettier (though I have yet to read Plantinga), which I’ve done here.

In the end, I agree reason (justification/warrant) can only be ministerial, because something is true (if true) whether or not we have good reasons for it or against it. Our knowledge of our innocence is based on the evidence of our personal experience of our alibi (and whatever nonexperiential evidence we may have), but we remain truly innocent even if the defense can produce no nonexperiential evidence substantiating our alibi; even if the prosecution can produce evidence against us. Likewise, our knowledge of the truths of Christianity is based on the evidence of our personal experience of the testimony of the Holy Spirit (and whatever nonexperiential evidence we may have), but those truths remain even if we can produce no nonexperiential evidence substantiating our personal testimony; even if skeptics/atheists can produce arguments against it. However, something that is true will never defy reason/logic. There will be some flaw in every argument/evidence brought against it.

I differ from Dr. Craig on the ‘problem of the unevangelized’ but that is a different topic. We at least agree that the Holy Spirit can be resisted. In my personal experience, God brought me back through the ‘experiential reason’ of the testimony of the Holy Spirit (I still had the choice of saying yes or no), and only after that did I care about finding nonexperiential reasons that were accessible to others (similar to Dr. Craig’s testimony). I only put my faith/trust “in” him after he showed me “that” he exists and loves me. Perhaps there are others out there who come to (were drawn by?) God through those sorts of reasons (come to believe “that” God exists), and ‘then’ experience the Spirit’s testimony (and hopefully choose to put faith/trust “in” him)? Dr. Craig seems to say there ‘can’ be in the YouTube video, but it’s a little fuzzy where he stands on that in Reasonable Faith. Would love to hear from him on that, but he ‘is’ a busy guy.

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