Undesigned Coincidences in the Bible by Tim McGrew

(Last published 9/23/11. Added 4/10/13: Video.  Also see Audio Resources by Tim McGrew and Internal Evidence for the Gospels by Tim McGrew on Apologetics315.)

A few months back I heard an April 24, 2011 radio interview on this topic, by fellow Christian Apologetics Alliance member Tim McGrew, and have been interested ever since.  I really, really hope Tim writes a book of all these undesigned coincidences.

An undesigned coincidence happens when one part of the Bible is missing a detail that makes us ask a question, and another part of the Bible (a part authored by someone else), or a text external to the Bible, without collusion, supplies that missing detail.  It is a test for historical authenticity.

Here is one talk at First Baptist Church of Kenner, LA (New Orleans area) in January (also available here).

Check out the July 30 and August 11 (both in 2011) podcasts on Frank Turek’s “Cross Examined” radio show.

Examples from here:

#1:  Matthew 26:67-68  Why ask him to tell them who slapped him?  Luke 22:64  They blindfolded him.

#2:  Mark 6:31  Why are many coming and going?  John 6:4  The Passover pilgrimage.

#3:  Matthew 8:14-16  Why in the evening?  Mark 1:21  Sabbath over at evening (cannot bear burden).

#4:  Luke 9:36  Why did they keep silent?  Mark 9:9  Jesus told them to tell no one (most consistently disobeyed command, lol).

#5:  John 6:5  Why pick Philip?  Luke 9:10  The setting of the miracle is Bethsaida, Philip’s “hometown” (John 1:44).  (And see #17.)

#6:  Bauckham:  Names in NT are independently, statistically shown to be in very good accord w/ the frequency w/ which Jews named their children these names in Palestine.  Most common male name:  Simon.  Second most common:  Some variant on Joshua/Jesus.  In Alexandria, most common name:  Sabbatheus—no such character in NT.

#7:  John 21:15  Why ask “…more than these?”  Matthew 26:33 “Though they all fall away…I will never fall away.”  In John 21:16 Peter is done boasting and just says “Lord, you know that I love you.”  Beautiful!

#8:  Luke 23:1-4  Why Pilate find no guilt in Jesus?  John 18:36  “My kingdom is not of this world.”
Also, John never mentions the charge against him, but Luke fills in the detail.

#9:  Matthew 2:22  Why does Archelaus’s reign spook Joseph?  Why Galilee?  Josephus’ Antiquities, Book 17:  Archelaus sends troops into the temple and kills 3,000 Jews…Passover cancelled.  The Jews Joseph meets in Matthew 2 are fleeing this.  Galilee under control of Herod Antipas.

From here

#1, #3, #4, #5, #7, #8

From here

#4, #3, #5, #7, #8, #2, #9

#10:  Matthew 14:1-2 Why is Herod speaking about this to his servants?  Luke 8:3  Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager/steward.  Herod knows that if he’s got questions about Jesus, talk to his Christian servants.  Acts 13:1 Manaen had been brought up with Herod the Tetrarch.

From here:

#11:  Mark 14:57-58 Mark 15:29  People mock him for saying he would destroy the temple.  He never says that in Mark.  John 2:18-19 Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

#9

#12  Luke 3:14  Why active-duty soldiers in a time of peace?  Josephus:  Herod Antipas got in trouble with his wife’s father when he fooled around with his brother’s wife, so he had a border war on the southeastern flank of his territory.  Jordan river runs southward.

#13  Luke 3:2  Two high priests?  Josephus:  Book 18, Chapter 2 of Antiquities … one high priest by right (ruling through his sons), one high priest by Roman appointment.  The Jewish War Book 2 Chapter 12 Section 6 “both” Jonathan and Ananias.

#14  Luke’s census.  Two problems:  1) No record Caesar Augustus taxed whole Roman empire.  2) Quirinius was governor in 6 a.d., not 6 b.c..  Answer:  “all the world” is Judea (same idea in Acts 11:28…Greek word means “the region in interest”…there is no word “Roman” in the Greek).  The taxation is a registration or enrollment, not an actual taxation.  “This was made” means “set in motion”.  Read this way:  “This first tax was put in use a dozen years later.”  Also possible Quirinius had two stints as a governor.  (See also Cheney’s comment here, section 10.)

#15  Luke 20:24-25 “Show me a denarius.  Whose likeness and inscription does it have?”  Look at Roman denarius.  Not only does it have Tiberius Caesar’s face, but the inscription promotes worship of the previous Caesar.  Jesus says “Render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s.  Render to God that which is God’s.”  In other words, the previous Caesar is not God, and this coinage with a ‘graven image’ is not ‘of God’.

#16  John 5:2  Are the 5 porches a literary device?  Archaeology says no—it’s real.  Also, John says “Now, there IS…” which means he must be writing pre-75 A.D. (before the destruction).

Via email 9/23/11:

#17 “This one just occurred to me:  Matthew 11:21 — ‘Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.’  What mighty works in Bethsaida? Matthew gives us no clue; this is the only time he ever mentions Bethsaida. Nor can Mark help us here, nor John. But turn to Luke 9:10 — On their return the apostles told him all that they had done. And he took them and withdrew apart to a town called Bethsaida.    … and then comes the feeding of the 5000.” (See #5.)

Tim mentions these books, most/all available at historicalapologetics.org:

John James Blunt’s “Undesigned Coincidences”
William Paley’s “Horae Paulinae” (part 2) and “A view of the evidences of Christianity”
Edmund Hatch Bennett’s “The Four Gospels from a Lawyers’ Standpoint

Nathaniel Lardner “Credibility of the Gospel history” (17 volumes—have at it!)

Post a comment here or discuss at the following forums:
http://www.ilovephilosophy.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=176514
http://iloveopinions.com/index.php/topic,4373.0.html
http://www.sciencechatforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=19845
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post985708.html#p985708
http://www.project-reason.org/forum/viewthread/22069

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This post also appeared on Examiner.com.

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Apologetics Bloggers Alliance collaborate for the tenth anniversary of 9/11

Apologetics Bloggers Alliance collaboration for the tenth anniversary of 9/11:

Faithful Thinkers:  Atheism, Evil and Ultimate Justice

Hope’s Reason: Where was God on 9/11?

The Point: Christianity and 9/11: Guilt by Association?

The Gospel According to Erik: Did God Allow the Attacks on 9/11 for a “Greater Good”?

J.W. Wartick: On September 11th, 2001, harmless things became fearful

Sarcastic Xtian: Do all roads (and flights) lead to God?

Reasons for God:  The Two Ground Zeroes

Hieropraxis: Suffering and the Cross of Christ

Take Two: Remembering 9/11: A Young Californian’s Perspective

Apologetics Guy: America After 9/11: Is Religion Evil?

Apologetics 315: Resources on the Problem of Evil

The Real Issue: The Three Faces of Evil and a Christian Response

Neil Mammen: Where was God on 9-11?

Thinking Christian: 9/11: “Full Cognitive Meltdown” and Its Fallout

Cold and Lonely Truth: 9/11: Where is God during a catastropy?

In Defense of the Christian Faith: If God, Why Evil?

Wintery Knight: Ground Zero: Why truth matters for preventing another 9/11-style attack

Possible Worlds: The Need for Moral Choices and Consequences

Tilled Soil: The Problem of Evil: Who’s problem is it? Is it a problem?

Bringing Back the Tao: 9/11 Memorial: Christianity Gives Authentic Hope In The Face Of Suffering

Patheos:  Are we all moral monsters?

Josiah Concept Ministries: Did God Cause 9/11?

MandM:  Divine Commands Post 9/11

In light of the tenth anniversary of 9/11, consider Luke 13:1-8. The message there is that when we see people going through tragedy, don’t infer that God is punishing them–instead, examine your own heart in light of eternal tragedy, rather than in light of temporary tragedy. It is a worthy message. Thanks, Richard Weikart

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Why did the apostles go from being afraid to being bold?

Compare John 20:19 and Acts 2:14, and answer this question:  What explains the change in Jesus’ disciples, from being full of fear, to being full of boldness?

Answer:  The early post-resurrection appearances (Mark 16:9-18; John 20:1-21:23; Matthew 28:9-20; Luke 24:13-32, 34, 36-49; 1 Cor 15:5-7; Acts 1:3-8).

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It is okay and good to question our beliefs.

doubt-your-doubtsIn “The Reason for God” Tim Keller points out “A faith without some doubts is like a human body without any antibodies in it.”

He sees that all doubts emerge from a starting point of alternate belief and encourages skeptics to “doubt their doubts” with as much force as they require justification for Christian belief.

Everyone (whether they consider themselves secular or religious) bases how they think people should behave on their own improvable fundamental faith-assumptions.

“…which fundamentals will lead their believers to be the most loving and receptive to those with whom they differ?  Which set of unavoidably exclusive beliefs will lead us to humble, peace-loving behavior?  …

“At the very heart of [our] view of reality [is] a man who died for his enemies, praying for their forgiveness [Maryann:  ‘forgive them, for they know not what they do’].  Reflection on this could only lead to a radically different way of dealing with those who [are] different from [us].  It mean[s] we [can] not act in violence and oppression toward [our] opponents,” (19-20).

“Believers and nonbelievers will rise to the level of disagreement rather than simply denouncing the other.  This happens when each side has learned to represent the other’s argument in its strongest and most positive form. … I’ve tried to respectfully help skeptics look at their own faith-foundations while at the same time laying bare my own to their strongest criticisms,” (xxviii, xix).

Even though Thomas doubted, Jesus gave him the evidence he sought; even though the man in Mark 9:24 had doubts, Jesus “blesses him and heals his son.”  “I invite you to seek the same kind of honesty and to grow in an understanding of the nature of your own doubts.  The result will exceed anything you can imagine,” (xxiii).

Do you fear doubt, questioning, and ‘laying bare’ your beliefs to criticism?

Does your worldview promote humble, peace-loving behavior, and, if so, how?

For what the Bible has to say on examining your beliefs, check out Why is apologetics so important?

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Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels / McGrew

I first heard about these from Professor Tim McGrew:

An undesigned coincidence happens when one part of the Bible is missing a detail that makes us ask a question, and another part of the Bible (a part authored by someone else), or a text external to the Bible, without collusion, supplies that missing detail and answers our question. It is a test for historical authenticity. (Originally published 9/5/11. Added 4/10/13: Video.  Also see Audio Resources by Tim McGrew and Internal Evidence for the Gospels by Tim McGrew on Apologetics315.)

Here are a few examples internal to the Gospels:

(Note: numbers are being skipped on purpose because I am sticking to ‘internal’ coincidences amongst the Gospels and gleaning the examples from here.)

#1:  Matthew 26:67-68  Why ask him to tell them who slapped him?  Luke 22:64  They blindfolded him.

#2:  Mark 6:31  Why are many coming and going?  John 6:4  The Passover pilgrimage.

#3:  Matthew 8:14-16  Why in the evening?  Mark 1:21  Sabbath over at evening (cannot bear burden).

#4:  Luke 9:36  Why did they keep silent?  Mark 9:9  Jesus told them to tell no one (most consistently disobeyed command, lol).

#5:  John 6:5  Why pick Philip?  Luke 9:10  The setting of the miracle is Bethsaida, Philip’s “hometown” (John 1:44).  (And see #17.)

#7:  John 21:15  Why ask “…more than these?”  Matthew 26:33 “Though they all fall away…I will never fall away.”  In John 21:16 Peter is done boasting and just says “Lord, you know that I love you.”  Beautiful!

#8:  Luke 23:1-4  Why Pilate find no guilt in Jesus?  John 18:36  “My kingdom is not of this world.”
Also, John never mentions the charge against him, but Luke fills in the detail.

#10:  Matthew 14:1-2 Why is Herod speaking about this to his servants?  Luke 8:3  Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s household manager/steward.  Herod knows that if he’s got questions about Jesus, talk to his Christian servants.  Acts 13:1 Manaen had been brought up with Herod the Tetrarch.

#11:  Mark 14:57-58 Mark 15:29  People mock him for saying he would destroy the temple.  He never says that in Mark.  John 2:18-19 Jesus says, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

Via email 9/23/11:

#17 “This one just occurred to me: Matthew 11:21 — ‘Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.’ What mighty works in Bethsaida? Matthew gives us no clue; this is the only time he ever mentions Bethsaida. Nor can Mark help us here, nor John. But turn to Luke 9:10 — On their return the apostles told him all that they had done. And he took them and withdrew apart to a town called Bethsaida. … and then comes the feeding of the 5000.” (See #5.)

These are just examples of ‘internal’ undesigned coincidences in the Gospels.

For other types and examples, and more sources for further research, go here.

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Three reasons we know the Gospels are telling the truth.

1.  The Gospels were written too early to be legendTim Keller discusses this.
2.  Hostiles would’ve busted ‘em and told everyone the disciples were lying. (F.F. Bruce**)
3.  No-one dies for lies.  See how the disciples died.


Easy to memorize.




[Gleaned from the lecture “The Case for Faith” by Lee Strobel, part of the curriculum for Biola’s apologetics certification.]

**  “It was not only friendly eyewitnesses that the early preachers had to reckon with; there were others less well disposed who were also conversant with the main facts of the ministry and death of Jesus. The disciples could not afford to risk inaccuracies (not to speak of willful manipulation of the facts), which would at once be exposed by those who would be only too glad to do so. On the contrary, one of the strong points in the original apostolic preaching is the confident appeal to the knowledge of the hearers; they not only said, ‘We are witnesses of these things,’ but also, ‘As you yourselves also know’ (Acts 2:22). Had there been any tendency to depart from the facts in any material respect, the possible presence of hostile witnesses in the audience would have served as a further corrective” (F.F. Bruce).

John Warwick Montgomery, Tractatus Logico-Theologicus, Pg 92
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Apologetics Toolbox

I am starting an apologetics toolbox for my sons and wanted to make it available to others.  The cool thing about a toolbox is you can add to it–consider this a starter kit.

Many of these links will be revised, and many will be added.

Why is apologetics so important?

Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Faith for Kids” summary with commentary
“Objections to Faith” by David Spikes (12 yrs. old)

Blog index for Douglas Groothuis’ “Christian Apologetics:  A Comprehensive Case for Biblical Faith”

It is okay and good to question our beliefs.

It just happened, eh?  “If the earth were a golfball” and the scale of the universe.

WLC makes plain the Ontological Argument

Poll:  What grounds objective moral truth?

The Moral Argument

Leibnizian Moral Argument?

Problem: If God is good and all-powerful, why does he not prevent evil, suffering and hell?

“The Problem of Evil” by Ethan Spikes (almost 16 yrs. old)

Glimpse of Eternity (something from Don Richardson showing God did not evolve w/ kings)

Who Wrote the Gospels? by Timothy McGrew

Tim McGrew | External/Internal Evidence

Why did the apostles go from being afraid to being bold?

Peter Williams on how the Gospels get people, places and plants right

Three reasons we know the Gospels are telling the truth.

Chart comparing NT manuscripts to ancient documents
Better one. (though “reliability” is not the right word)

A “Twelve Facts” resurrection logic puzzle

WLC’s case for the resurrection

Evidence for Easter

Peter Stoner’s probabilities of Jesus fulfilling 8 prophecies over which He had no human control

Sir Robert Anderson’s calculations linking Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks” prophecy and Jesus’ crucifixion

Blog Discussion and Sermon Ideas for Tim Keller’s “The Reason for God”

The Bible as a Narrative

“Christian Apologetics” (Groothuis) Read Along with Apologetics 315 (buy book)

Biola Certificate in Apologetics

My Testimony – If you have a testimony, it is evidence for you and those who knew you.

(more to come)

Apologetics Toolbox folder covers :)
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"Christian Apologetics" (Groothuis) Read Along with Apologetics 315

more info

I currently just finished chapter ten on the ontological argument, but I am definitely joining this read-along and encourage all to do the same.  Starts September 9. :)

Douglas Groothuis’ Christian Apologetics.

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Biola Certificate in Apologetics

I just got my Biola Certificate in Apologetics–go here to get yours.  Mention “Apologetics 315” to get a discount :)

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How the Gospel changes our apologetic / Tim Keller


How the Gospel Changes our Apologetic by Tim Keller from Vintage21 Church on Vimeo.

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