Notes: Genesis 11, Job 4-5

Genesis 11Job 4-5

Bible Narrative Project

Genesis // The Tower of Babel is just good story-telling. In fact, Genesis 1-11 is just good story-telling, on par with Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia. Our Bible rocks because it has Genesis 1-11. Something I didn’t notice before is that their city- and name-building was in an effort to keep from being scattered, but that is what happens to them in the end, so the story goes. I think it is awesome that humans have been creative story-tellers and seekers of explanations (and both at the same time) almost since we were first able to communicate.

Job // …and Job’s friends are assumers of explanations. And you know what they say happens when we assume… Anyway. Eliphaz is like those friends who are there for you when the going gets rough, keeping their thoughts about ‘why’ the going is rough until they can just hold it in no longer, and then you get their well-meaning lecture. You’ve lost everything, you mourn it verbally and who could blame you? Your friends. Surely you don’t think you’re blameless and undeserving of suffering–no one is perfect, and the innocent do not suffer. Clearly you have some issue with God, because we all know God makes his followers rich and happy-go-lucky.

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Notes: Genesis 6-10, Job 2:11-3:26

Genesis 6-10Job 2:11-3:26

Bible Narrative Project

Reading to discuss:

How should we interpret the Genesis flood account?

Whether or not one considers the flood global or local, reference to the Nephilim in Numbers was an exaggeration–the spies were just very afraid. Just a case of hyperbole. They even referred to themselves as grasshoppers.

I don’t think Dr. Francis Collins or those who agree with him (like myself) are scoffers.

Galileo was persecuted by the church for showing (well, continuing to show) the earth revolves around the sun (they used the Bible as counter-evidence then, too), but they eventually came around, and we’ll come around about evolution and the flood, too. Perhaps the story is written as if creation happened for six days and the the flood was global, but that does not mean there was a global flood or that creation lasted six days, nor does it necessarily discount the authority of scripture–nor more than ceasing to interpret certain language literally (1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5) undermined the authority of scripture in Galileo’s day, though the church at first thought it did.

Regarding “and also afterward” maybe research the original Hebrew and see if an alternative translation is more likely. Do all the translations read similarly?

Something I find interesting is that the angels (with Satan/adversary) are referred to as “sons of God” both in Genesis and Job. Similar language.

I like that Job’s friends sit there and say nothing for a week…they are just ‘there’ for him (at first, anyway). And I like that there is reality and all-out lament in the Bible. It isn’t pruned of the unpleasant, it isn’t just polite discussion.

Note: Job and Jobab are related words. There is another Jobab in Genesis 36, a king in Edom.

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Notes: Genesis 4-5, Job 2:1-10

Genesis 4-5Job 2:1-10

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Two of my favorite verses in the Bible:

 I love that God reasoned with Cain: “…if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

I love Job’s response to his wife: “Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?”

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Notes: Genesis 1-3, Job 1

Genesis 1-3Job 1

Bible Narrative Project

Readings to discuss:

How was the Genesis creation story interpreted before Darwin?
What were the Christian responses to Darwin?
How does the Fall fit into evolutionary history? Were Adam and Eve historical figures?
At what point in the evolutionary process did humans attain “the image of God”?
Was there death before the Fall?
more

It is fascinating to read the beginning of Genesis and the whole of Job together…to compare them. Satan (meaning accuser/adversary; the serpent in Genesis) comes up in both of them, up to the same old tricks in both of them. And the humans involved…they always have a choice (freedom is at the center of both narratives–smack dab in the middle of the Garden, even, in Genesis). They both start out “righteous”. Adam and Eve have their fruit and they take it, Job has his cursing…but refuses it (Adam and Job are both badly influenced by their wives, but Job refuses the influence, whereas Adam passes the blame to his wife, who passes the blame to the serpent). Adam and Eve are aware of Satan (the serpent), Job is not. Adam and Eve do not consult God (to which they have access)–Job has a long speech/prayer, though he does not know if God will even answer. And in the end, God speaks to them both, and they both have to live with the consequences of their choices. Adam and Eve chose apart from God and so get separation from him, Job spoke to God throughout his struggle and is restored. And, in the ‘real’ end (there really is only one), Satan loses, either way.

It is fascinating to read the beginning of Genesis and the whole of Job together…to compare them. Satan (meaning accuser/adversary; the serpent in Genesis) comes up in both of them, up to the same old tricks in both of them. And the humans involved…they always have a choice (freedom is at the center of both narratives–smack dab in the middle of the Garden, even, in Genesis). They both start out “righteous”. Adam and Eve have their fruit and they take it, Job has his cursing…but refuses it (Adam and Job are both badly influenced by their wives, but Job refuses the influence, whereas Adam passes the blame to his wife, who passes the blame to the serpent). Adam and Eve are aware of Satan (the serpent), Job is not. Adam and Eve do not consult God (to which they have access)–Job has a long speech/prayer, though he does not know if God will even answer. And in the end, God speaks to them both, and they both have to live with the consequences of their choices. Adam and Eve chose apart from God and so get separation from him, Job spoke to God throughout his struggle and is restored. And, in the ‘real’ end (there really is only one), Satan loses, either way.

Job not occurring until at least the fourth generation after Abraham is kind of hard to determine, and where in the Genesis narrative would it be best to place Job in that light? I couldn’t decide. So I decided to just interweave it w/ all of Genesis. Plus there are the parallels :)

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The Bible as a Narrative

Reposting from December of 2009, to update on new project:
http://biblenarrativeproject.blogspot.com/ Check it out

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Update 1/1/11:  The Bible Narrative Project is complete and the 2011 study began today at the beginning of Genesis and Job and will be working through the Bible narrative chronologically throughout the year (combining parallel passages), finishing up in Revelation, one blog post per day. Read more here.

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UPDATE 3/31/15: The Bible Narrative project has moved here.

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Replacing Agnosticism with Apisticism

This article argues we replace the word “agnosticism” (lack of knowing) with the word “apisticism” (lack of believing) on every belief scale.  The current debate between Myers and Coyne on the
falsifiability of atheism is complicated by a misunderstanding of faith/belief as being necessarily blind, made worse by using the word “agnosticism” (lack of knowing) when the word “apisticism” (lack of believing or lack of faith) would be more appropriate. It is complicated as well by the misunderstanding that all knowledge below certainty implies agnosticism (and equating faith to that, rather than to belief, or equating belief to that ‘and’ faith, rather than allowing for belief/faith to count as knowledge, when both justified and true).

Knowledge is justified, true belief (this goes back to Plato’s Theaetetus). It is belief that is justified by the evidence and true by correspondence. If the belief is only true, then to call it knowledge commits the is-ought fallacy (this goes back to Hume).  If the belief is only justified, then to call it knowledge commits the ought-is fallacy.  [ More here. ]  Genuine faith/belief is strengthened by evidence and weakened by counter-evidence, so there can be varying degrees of belief/faith/subjective certainty (hence, belief “scale”), but the ‘truth’ of the matter is very black and white (law of non-contradiction). A belief is either true or not true, regardless the amount of evidence you have in favor of it or against it, and regardless how subjectively certain you are or how strongly you believe it, which is why it is better to use “apistic/pistic” on a belief scale, rather than “agnostic/gnostic”.

When we use the word agnostic for the middle point between atheism and theism on a belief scale (like Dawkins’ belief scale), we make atheism and theism out to be gnostic positions, and some people wrongly require a gnostic position to be one of ‘certain’ knowledge, either based on evidence (including a lack of evidence, where evidence should not be lacking), or on blind faith. However 1) knowledge results when a belief (no matter how uncertain/certain) is justified by evidence (no matter how slim) and true to reality, and 2) blind faith is bad faith and can never lead to a gnostic position, not being based on any evidence/justification. Richard Dawkins rightly pointed out in “The God Delusion” that beliefs considered “religious” are, like all other claims about reality, not exempt from critical examination (falsification), and only a fideist would claim otherwise. He is wrong that the only alternative to NOMA is that evolution conflicts with any sort of design, however, where he is right implies that atheists who think atheism is not falsifiable (Myers), are ‘implicitly’ fideist.

So, before we can sell the idea that the proper (less confusing) middle way between atheism and theism is not agnosticism, but apisticism, there needs to be some course-correction which would make some atheists feel comfortable admitting they “believe” without making them feel like they are believing in the same way they feel “religious” people believe.  If I were an atheist, this would likely be received better, but–what can I do?  Stop being a theist?  No…so we’ll go with something more rational.  Reason.

Consider that epistemic belief (faith) and knowledge are not necessarily distinct–sometimes believing is also knowing–but knowing is never absolute certainty, for those lacking omniscience. A person who is very uncertain may prefer to claim to believe (have faith) rather than to claim to know. However, one doesn’t need to “know with certainty” in order to know, and a claim to believe (to have faith), is a claim to know. If you believe it (put faith in it being true), you think you know it. An exception is when you believe blindly or have blind faith. Nothing can be proved with absolute certainty (reserved for the omniscient), so all knowledge claims (beliefs) below absolute certainty require faith (lesser degrees of subjective certainty), which, unless blind, requires evidence. Biblical “believing without seeing” (the ‘virtue’ sort of faith) is not believing without evidence (a common misinterpretation)—it is believing the evidence of God’s promise before that promise is fulfilled, in the face of feared consequences like martyrdom. [ This article (expanded upon here) is on ‘atheist’ faith, and links to other faith-related articles. Atheist faith is when you hold on to the belief that there is no god(s) (as I once did), despite the fear and panic that rise up in you during your deconversion (because of what you have been taught about hell, and because of how you fear your believing friends and family will react to your deconversion). ]

Kierkegaard understood the virtue sort of faith to be central, but he was not a fideist the way most people think. He was angered by clergy who focused on evidence (knowing/believing “that” God exists) and never demonstrated saving faith (knowing God “personally” and believing “in” God). That’s why he focused so much on faith. But he wasn’t “against” evidence–he just knew nothing can be proved/known w/ certainty (and that much of Christianity feels like counter-evidence, like the God-man, which seems paradoxical), and that the ‘virtue’ sort of faith (trust “in” God) is where it is at. Scientific leaps in progress are in fact leaps of faith.

A ‘theist’ lacks the belief “No god(s) exist(s)”–they think it is wrong, because they believe (are ‘pistic’ about) the alternative they think is right: “God(s) exist(s)”. An atheist lacks the belief “God(s) exist(s)” because they think it is wrong, they believe (are ‘pistic’ about) the alternative they think is right: “No god(s) exist(s)”. An agnostic (and, again, a better term for that would be apistic) does not believe, either way…defaulting to neither theism [lacking the belief “No god(s) exist(s)”] nor atheism [lacking the belief “God(s) exist(s)”.]

As mentioned in the 115th Philosophers’ Carnival, Sam Harris writes in “The Moral Landscape” that, according to his doctoral research, belief and disbelief both “showed highly localized signal changes in the caudate” (p. 226, note 35)—it’s because disbelief is a manifestation of belief. Similarly, a doubt always implies an alternative belief. If you doubt something, it is because you believe its alternative. This is also why the skeptic’s argument from error is self-defeating (relies on a ‘realist’ premise), because you can only ever find out you were wrong about something, if you are right about the counter-evidence against it.  Disbelief involves belief, and belief involves disbelief. When you say “I don’t believe this” it is because you believe something else (“I don’t believe p, I believe q”). When you say “I believe this” it is to the exclusion of other alternative beliefs (“I believe q, not p”). “I don’t believe either way” is inconclusive in a way that believing and disbelieving are not (“I don’t believe/disbelieve either p or q”). If p is atheism, and q is theism, some atheists claim that p is simply “not q” and that is as true as the claim that q is simply “not p”.  That is why agnosticism defaults neither to atheism nor theism, and why ‘apisticism’ would be a more appropriate term to use, so that we don’t violate the law of non-contradiction by granting contradictory positions the “gnostic” status, based solely on the fact that they make knowledge claims.

It would be more useful to use the word “apistic” instead of agnostic, and “pistic” instead of gnostic (when comparing gnostic w/ apistic/agnostic). Consider that

1) all knowing is believing, but not all believing is knowing,

2) whereas a claim to know (to “be gnostic”) can be wrong, a claim to believe (to “be pistic”) is always right (unless of course they’re lying…some folks answered my poll by saying they strongly believe in unicorns, for example, haha!),

3) the absence of belief (apisticism) is not the same thing as the absence of knowing (agnosticism)…knowing is a special type of believing (justified, true)…though, granted, the ‘gnostic’ (as opposed to agnostic) theist/atheist is currently considered merely gnostic because they make a “claim” to know, not because they necessarily DO ‘know,’

4) belief (faith) can be blind (though it isn’t “necessarily” blind), but knowledge (conscious knowledge, anyway) cannot be blind. People can choose to believe, can “claim” to know, despite counter-evidence (have blind belief, blind faith), but people cannot “actually” know despite counter-evidence (Gettier problem examples), and

5) as stated earlier, there can be varying degrees of belief/faith/subjective certainty (hence the belief “scale”)…but the ‘truth’ of the matter is very black and white (law of non-contradiction).

It would prevent confusion if ‘gnostic’ only meant ‘know’ rather than ‘claiming to know’…which is really just believing. It would prevent confusion if a “believing” atheist/theist wasn’t called a “gnostic” atheist/theist based merely on the fact that they make a knowledge claim. Someone should only ever be called “gnostic” if they do know (if their belief is both justified by evidence, and true by correspondence), not merely because they have “knowledge claims” (which are only guaranteed to be beliefs).

Hopefully the above helps to redeem faith’s (belief ‘s) reputation and frees folks up to honestly admit belief (although, not whilst denying its falsifiability), or to honestly claim apisticism (not atheism, not theism) when they genuinely lack belief. But, preferably, in good faith, they won’t claim anything until they examine the evidence.

Great discussion of this found here on Facebook’s Philosophers + Philosophy.

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Not counting earlier thinking on faith/belief, the following was ignited on Rational Skepticism here and Dan Fincke’s Camels with Hammers here, and combines replies from 1) a question I posted on AskPhilosophers Google group, 2) “Is atheism a belief?” on Greta Christina‘s blog, and 3) “Agnostics or Apistics?” on Dan Fincke’s Camels with Hammers.

Also see: The New, New Theism

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Dawkins, Craig and others debate: "Does the universe have a purpose?"

Matt Ridley, Michael Shermer, Richard Dawkins

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Rabbi David Wolpe, William Lane Craig, Douglas Geivett

@La Ciudad de las Ideas 2010

I was wondering when Dawkins would talk about the science of morality, but he only mentioned it at the very last minute, after the formal debate was already over. I wonder if the theists had the is-ought fallacy in their arsenal, in case he had mentioned the science of morality earlier in the debate? It never came up. Odd.

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Is-ought fallacy and knowledge as justified, true belief

The is-ought fallacy (Hume) is a real fallacy, and is why knowledge is justified, true belief (Plato). In order to be knowledge, a belief must both be justified by the evidence, and true by
correspondence. If we consider justified a belief that only corresponds, we commit the is-ought fallacy. If we consider a belief true merely due to evidence in favor of it, we commit the ought-is fallacy.

Related to moral truth–if a justified (answering the question of Ethics–“How and why should we be or behave with the Other and self?”) moral standard doesn’t describe anything in reality, to consider it “true” commits the ought-is fallacy. If we take something from reality and call it moral truth, neglecting to consider whether it is justified (answering the question of Ethics), we commit the is-ought fallacy. In order for there to be moral truth, it must both correspond to (a) real being, and it must be justified (answering the question of Ethics). Its correspondence is not its justification (is=/=ought), and its justification is not its correspondence (ought=/=is).

http://www.theswordandthesacrificephilosophy.blogspot.com/

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Philosophers’ Carnival 115

I had the priviledge of hosting a “Moral Landscape” edition of Philosophers’ Carnival here.

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The New, New Theism


Edited the fourth option on my scale 2/17/11.

THE NEW, NEW THEISM (a bit of satire)
followed by three versions of Dawkins’ belief scale, the final version being mine

The theism of the New, New Theism is not a belief, but a lack of belief–a lack of belief in a world with no God–a lack of belief in the nonexistence of God–because, there is just
no evidence for the belief that there is no God. All the evidence (who? we dunno who…it couldn’t be atheists, because they don’t believe anything…) use to support the nonexistence of God is in fact irrational gibberish invented by spin doctors and regurgitated by the unthinking masses. Their strongest evidence–the argument from evil–contradicts itself when you consider that if there is not always a real good (God) to which moral truth always corresponds, then there is no real evil (and thus no real argument from evil). And it is answered by the reality that if God, like an evil dictator, did not allow us to choose evil, the choice of Golden Rule love-despite-circumstances would be impossible–and he promises a happy ending for all those who choose it (or, at least, do not reject it). Therefore, going with our intuition that there is a real good, we favor a theistic conclusion (there is no faith involved in this, but somehow, we are not quite certain, either), but really we just lack belief in the nonexistence of God. We don’t really believe anything.

Take and share this Facebook belief scale poll!

[ The above was previously posted on Rational Skepticism and Camels with Hammers. ]

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Belief scale from Richard Dawkins’ “The God Delusion” p. 73:

1. Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung, ‘I do not believe, I know.’

2. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. De facto theist. ‘I cannot know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there.’

3. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. Technically agnostic but leaning towards theism. ‘I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.’

4. Exactly 50 per cent. Completely impartial agnostic. ‘God’s existence and non-existence are equi-probable.’

5. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. Technically agnostic but leaning towards atheism. ‘I don’t know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.’

6. Very low probability, but short of zero. De facto atheist. ‘I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there.’

7. Strong atheist. ‘I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung “knows” there is one.’

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Version of Dawkins’ belief scale from http://christophersisk.com/dawkins-belief-scale-images:

1. Strong Theist: I do not question the existence of God, I KNOW he exists.
2. De-facto Theist: I cannot know for certain but I strongly believe in God and I live my life on the assumption that he is there.
3. Weak Theist: I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God.
4. Pure Agnostic: God’s existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable.
5. Weak Atheist: I do not know whether God exists but I’m inclined to be skeptical.
6. De-facto Atheist: I cannot know for certain but I think God is very improbable and I live my life under the assumption that he is not there.
7. Strong Atheist: I am 100% sure that there is no God.

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My version of Dawkins’ belief scale:
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1. Omniscient Theist. 100% God, 0% no God. God’s existence is proven beyond a shadow of a doubt so that the believer is a knower with absolute certainty.  Since absolute certainty is only possible for the omniscient, this amounts to “I know, therefore I AM.”

2. Strong Theist. 99-75% God, 24-1% no God. The believer believes the evidence for God’s existence far outweighs the evidence against it, and so believes s/he knows God exists. Lacking certainty, this is a position of faith (s/he is strongly pistic). S/he is only “gnostic” if God exists—if God does not exist, s/he misinterpreted the evidence.

3. Weak Theist. 74-51% God, 49-25% no God. The believer believes the evidence for God’s existence somewhat outweighs the evidence against it, and so believes God might exist. Lacking certainty, this is a position of faith (s/he is weakly pistic). S/he is only “gnostic” if God exists. If God does not exist, s/he misinterpreted the evidence.

4. Pure Agnostic/Apistic. 50% God, 50% no God***. The believer believes the evidence for God’s existence is as strong/weak as the evidence against it, and so claims to not know or believe that God does or does not exist. S/he lacks the belief of theists, and s/he lacks the belief of atheists, and so s/he is neither—s/he is apistic (having no faith, one way or the other). Since s/he makes no knowledge/belief claim, s/he cannot be gnostic, whether or not God exists. The evidence or her interpretation of it is not telling a true story, because God either exists, or he does not.  [ It could be that any claim to be agnostic/apistic after one has examined the evidence is a claim made in bad faith, a choosing not to choose (Sartre), because either there is evidence of a demonstration of love from a good God (the only sort worthy of the title), or there isn’t going to be any. ]

5. Weak Atheist. 49-25% God, 74-51% no God. The believer believes the evidence against God’s existence somewhat outweighs the evidence for it, and so believes God might not exist. Lacking certainty, this is a position of faith (s/he is weakly pistic). S/he is only “gnostic” if God does not exist. If God does exist, s/he misinterpreted the evidence.

6. Strong Atheist. 24-1% God, 99-75% no God. The believer believes the evidence against God’s existence far outweighs the evidence for it, and so believes s/he knows God does not exist. Lacking certainty, this is a position of faith (s/he is strongly pistic). S/he is only “gnostic” if God does not exist. If God does exist, s/he misinterpreted the evidence.

7. Omniscient Atheist. 0% God, 100% no God. God’s existence is disproven beyond a shadow of a doubt so that the believer is a knower with absolute certainty.  Since only the omniscient can have absolute certainty, this option on the scale is contradictory, as it amounts to saying “I know, therefore I AM not.”

[ ***Note: since 100 and 0 are reserved for the polls, 50/50 ‘could’ be changed to 49/49 (requiring the other 49’s in the scale to go down to 48, and the 51’s up to 52), but that would just look weird. 50/50 symbolizes “equiprobable” moreso than 49/49, and one does not even need to know the exact number to know whether they are a weak/strong atheist/theist or agnostic. ]

Great discussion of this found here on Facebook’s Philosophers + Philosophy.

Also see: Replacing Agnosticism with Apisticism

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