Answering Gettier

[ work in progress ] [ completed 1/15/11 ]

Plato’s justified-true-belief definition of knowledge, maintained by critical realists, besides requiring that a belief be justified by evidence and true by correspondence, says 1) whether or not a belief is true has no bearing on whether or not it is justified, and 2) a belief is true or not regardless whatever justification we are (un)able to find for it. To violate 1 is to commit David Hume’s is-ought fallacy, and to violate 2 is to commit its reverse. The skeptic’s argument from error confirms that justification does not equate to truth (ought=/=is) when it notes that sometimes what we thought was justified turns out to have been false. Edmund Gettier’s problem examples also note this, but they also confirm that truth does not equate to justification (is=/=ought) when they show that sometimes we are right for the wrong reasons (and really the skeptic’s argument from error could also be saying this). Hume thought his is-ought fallacy leads to skepticism about knowledge (originally, moral knowledge), but this is prevented by following the requirement that a belief (i.e., an ethical theory) be justified by evidence and true by correspondence. However, Gettier’s point with his problem examples, in Christopher Norris’ words, “is that people can hold beliefs which are indeed justified and true, but which for various reasons intuitively strike us as not meeting the requirements for genuine knowledge,” (p. 140). Where Gettier goes wrong is when he allows wrong reasons to pass as justification—his whole basis for challenging the justified-true-belief definition of knowledge.

Some object, saying that Gettier did not go wrong in allowing wrong reasons to count as justification. But, if any old reason will do, then any old belief will do—it doesn’t need to be justified. But the criterion is “justified, true belief”. It is ‘not’ possible for a falsehood to justify a belief, but Gettier-style examples depend on it. Richard Feldman summarizes the requirements of stating a Gettier-style example: “First one has to find a case of a justified false belief. …One then identifies some truth that logically follows from that falsehood. …The example proceeds by having the believer deduce this truth from the justified false belief. …The resulting belief will be a justified true belief that is not knowledge,” (p. 28, Epistemology). However, being right for the wrong reasons means one’s belief is not justified. Some think this means hardly any beliefs are justified, but this claim is unjustified in light of leaps and bounds in scientific progress. To see how Gettier’s problem examples rely on wrong reasons for justification, one must actually examine the two problem examples, referred to as Case I and Case II, in the one short paper Gettier has published, titled “Is justified true belief knowledge?”

In Case I, Smith believes the true belief “The man who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket,” based on his (what turns out to be) false belief “Jones is the man who will get the job” and his true (but irrelevant) belief “Jones has ten coins in his pocket”. Since Smith gets hired instead and just so happens to have ten coins he had no idea were in his pocket, his belief “Jones is the man who will get the job,” is a false belief, and “Jones has ten coins in his pocket” is an irrelevant belief, both of which Gettier says justify the true belief “The man who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket,” challenging the justified-true-belief definition of knowledge. However, the challenge goes away when one stops allowing wrong or irrelevant reasons (like, “Jones is the man who will get the job” and “Jones has ten coins in his pocket,” respectively) to count as justification.

In Case II, Smith believes the true belief “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Barcelona” but he believes it based on his false belief “Jones owns a Ford” (by the way, he also believes two false beliefs based on that false belief: “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Boston,” and “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Brest-Litovsk”—and he could have rightly named every place in the universe besides the place Brown is actually in, if he had been right that Jones owns a Ford). Smith believes “or Brown is in Barcelona” (which is true), but he does not believe Brown is in Barcelona (though s/he is), because he believes “Jones owns a Ford,” a false belief Gettier says justifies the (as it turns out) true belief “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Barcelona,” challenging the justified-true-belief definition of knowledge. Again, the challenge goes away when one stops allowing wrong reasons (like “Jones owns a Ford”) to count as justification (“Brown is in Barcelona” cannot count as an irrelevant reason, because he does not believe it, and if he did, he would not say “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Barcelona” because he believes “Jones owns a Ford” and hopefully is not in the habit of believing either/or at the same time he believes both/and is the case). It is interesting to note that the equivalent (almost) of “Brown is in Barcelona” in Case II, is “Jones has ten coins in his pocket” in Case I, except that in Case I, Smith believes it, and in Case II, Smith does not believe it. I’d be willing to bet Gettier was trying for more symmetry (perhaps he thought he achieved it, including “Brown is in Barcelona” with “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Barcelona”), which, agreed (assuming I’m right), would have been beautiful.

Richard Feldman points out in “Epistemology” a couple principles referred to, though not by name, in Gettier’s paper: The Justified Falsehood Principle (“JF”) and the Justified Deduction Principle (“JD”). The JF states that “It is possible for a person to be justified in believing a false [belief].” In Case I, Smith was justified (assuming not by false grounds) in believing the false belief that Jones will get the job. In Case II, Smith was justified (assuming not by false grounds) in believing the false belief that Jones owns a Ford. However, though it is possible to believe a justified falsehood (JF), it is not possible for a falsehood to justify a belief (whether true or false), as the JD would have it. If a belief is based on any false grounds, it can only be justified if there are also true grounds which do the actual justifying [so this is not related to the No False Grounds (NFG) modified account of knowledge mentioned by Feldman and proposed by Michael Clark, who considered it necessary to add a fourth condition that a belief’s justification rely on no false grounds whatsoever]. Admitting that false grounds are false grounds is admitting they are non-justifiers. The mistake the JD makes is committing the is-ought fallacy. A belief’s being justified, does not make it true grounds! Beliefs are not justified by other justified beliefs; they are justified by true grounds (evidence). Feldman mentions that The Same Evidence Principle (SE) seems to show how weird it is to deny the JD and say Smith is justified in believing a false belief, but not justified in believing anything deduced from it. Feldman thinks the SE shows this is weird, since the false belief and the belief deduced from it both rely on the same evidence. However, any belief deduced from the false belief uses the evidence grounding the false belief, “plus” the false belief itself—so it isn’t exactly ‘just’ the same evidence.

Lehrer-Paxson’s No Defeaters (ND) Theory (a.k.a. defeasibility analysis), like Michael Clark’s No False Grounds Theory just mentioned, is an attempt to modify the justified-true-belief account of knowledge. “The idea is that one has knowledge when there are no truths that defeat one’s justification,” (p. 34, Feldman’s “Epistemology”). How is this different from the No False Grounds theory? It allows for a false ground, as long as disbelieving it (in response to a truth which defeats it), does not result in disbelieving the conclusion it grounds. This modification seems to avoid the Gettier problem because if Smith had stopped believing the truth-defeated beliefs that Jones would get the job (Case I) and owns a Ford (Case 2), he would stop believing “The man who will get the job has ten coins in his pocket,” (Case I) and “Either Jones owns a Ford, or Brown is in Barcelona” (and the other two similarly random beliefs in Case II). However, Feldman points out a couple problems with this modification. 1) To paraphrase an example, Smith knows his radio is off and he does not know what is playing on the radio. However, if Smith was justified in knowing that the radio is playing Neil Diamond’s “Girl, You’ll Be a Woman Soon” then (all other methods of learning ruled out) Smith’s radio would have to be on, which would defeat his knowing that it is off. 2) There can be false defeaters, like a true statement about a lie [“Tom’s mother said that Tom’s twin took the tape” (p. 35, Feldman’s “Epistemology”), when “Tom’s twin took the tape” is a lie], which make us think we were wrong, when actually we were right.

Feldman notes that even believing a true statement about a falsehood involves implicit dependence of the final conclusion upon a falsehood. He mentions the EDF modification which adds the requirement that a belief’s justification not ‘e’ssentially ‘d’epend on a ‘f’alsehood. Paul K. Moser, in the article “Gettier problem” in Dancy and Sosa’s “A Companion to Epistemology,” proposes a modification he calls evidential truth-sustenance (ETS), which basically says that as long as there are true beliefs (essentially) justifying a conclusion, the (non-essential) false beliefs do not make the conclusion less justified. But such a requirement is already housed within the ‘justified’ aspect of the justified-true-belief account of knowledge (which would also be true of NFG and ND, if they were accurate). Admitting that false grounds are false grounds is admitting they are non-justifiers, so that Gettier’s problem examples do not involve instances of justified, true belief, and so do not challenge Plato’s justified-true-belief account of knowledge.

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Sources:

Edmund Gettier’s paper, “Is justified true belief knowledge?” (1963)
http://www.ditext.com/gettier/gettier.html
Plato’s “Theaetetus” (360 B.C.E.)
Christopher Norris’ “Epistemology” (2005)
Feldman’s “Epistemology” (2003)
David Hume’s “A Treatise of Human Nature” (1748)
Dancy&Sosa’s “A Companion to Epistemology” (2004)
–Paul K. Moser’s “Gettier problem” article therein

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Notes: Genesis 19:30-22, Job 11

Genesis 19:30-22Job 11

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Genesis: Those are some twisted sisters. Their offspring are the ancestors of Moab (Ruth, from which King David descends, comes from Moab) and Ammon (just heard about King Nahash of Ammon in the discussion of the last passage).

Job: Zophar thinks Job is a stubborn idiot and that it would take a miracle for him to understand the truth that he is being punished because he is wicked and should confess….based merely on the fact that Job has lost everything and is covered in boils. Rather than soothing his friend, he judges him. He is only (unknowingly) right that Job is ignorant of what is going on behind the scenes–as ignorant as Zophar.

Ok. Forgive me, but this is how things go in my head. Forever, Sarah is barren, until the run-in with Abimelech. Now, it says Abimelech never touched her, but in the next chapter, she is with child. So, in my brain I’m thinking maybe Abraham was sterile, and maybe Sarah made up at least some of the conversation between Abimelech and God. Question: how long was Sarah with Abimelech…how long were his wife and maids barren? We hear from him again in verses 22-34. Is the well symbolic of Sarah’s womb? Is this the delicate way they used to speak of such things? Perhaps I am drawing wrong connections. But Abimelech says of the well the same thing he implies of Sarah’s being married: “I did not know; you did not tell me.” (paraphrase)

The offering of Isaac has been commented on by many. Paul (Romans 4:11) and the author of Zondervan’s NASB Study Bible note on 22:5 think Abraham said “we will…return to you” because Abraham knew, especially in light of the promises to be fulfilled through Isaac, that God can raise people from the dead. The note on verse 16 suggests Abraham’s tested faith and devotion in the offering of Isaac may be a foreshadowing of God’s love for us in offering his only son (whom he did raise up from the dead), as reflected in John 3:16 and Romans 8:32.

Well it turns out my thinking involving Abraham’s sterility is incorrect, as we see in chapter 25. He’s quite fertile. Scratch everything I said up there about that.

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Notes: Genesis 18-19:29, Job 9-10

Genesis 18-19:29Job 9-10

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Yes, I love how Job talks directly to God. And I don’t think it is a sin to do that. Because sin is what separates us from God, and Job has not cut off his relationship with God, but is communicating. Jacob wrestled with him, and Jesus cried out to the Father in Gethsemane and on the cross. As long as there is still a struggle, still wrestling, there is still relationship.

On Genesis: Does God ever, at any point in the Bible, stop asking people questions he already knows the answers to, or discuss the outcomes of things as if they ‘could’ change, when he already knows how it will go? I think it just goes to show how he is interested in relating and creating ‘with’ us, not just talking ‘to’ us, and so he draws us into discussion with questions and gives us a part in the outcome he already knows. However, 18:21 makes me wonder why God had to investigate and ‘come to know’, being omniscient…is this a human’s fallible understanding of events/God? I’m glad the angels did not let Lot’s daughters be harmed, and that women enjoy more respect (at least in our culture) than we did back then. The gang-raping men of Sodom are where the word sodomy comes from.

That sort of thing doesn’t stop at Sodom’s destruction, as we will see later in the OT. It happens in Israel (Gibeah, in the tribal territory of the Benjamites) (see last three chapters of Judges), too, only there aren’t any angels to protect the concubine they rape to death instead of the men. The unnamed Levite alerts the rest of Israel to how crazy things are in that territory by sending his concubine in twelve pieces to each of the tribes, so that the tribe of Benjamin is brought to justice. Virgins are taken from Jabesh-Gilead to make peace so that the Benjamites who fled the destruction will have women to marry. Later on (1 Samuel 11), Saul is from Gibeah and so has kinship with the blind messengers of Jabesh, allowed to come (sent) by the Ammonite King Nahash to negotiate their surrender–but instead Saul (the king Israel has been begging for) cuts up twelve hunks of bloody meat to summon the tribes (just like the unnamed Levite did with his concubine to bring justice in Gibeah), who go on to defeat King Nahash.

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Notes: Genesis 16-17, Job 8

Genesis 16-17Job 8

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Genesis:

I am guilty, like Sarai, of pushing things forward rather than waiting on God. Poor Hagar and poor Ishmael (and poor Abram) would never have had to go through all that conflict with Sarai if she had just waited on God to fulfill his promise.

Circumcision is just one more thing like animal sacrifice that symbolizes the seriousness of being in relationship with God. Ain’t for the faint of heart. Circumcision was like saying “If I am not loyal in faith and obedience to the Lord, may the sword of the Lord cut off me and my offspring as I have cut off my foreskin,” (Zondervan’s NASB Study Bible note, Genesis 17:10).

This passage always makes me think of Muslims and Islam, because they trace back to Ishmael, and their version of the story is different.

Job:

Bildad puts salt on Job’s open wound. He’s even worse than Eliphaz.

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Norris, Gettier, Euthyphro, Hume and Plato: Is knowledge justified true belief?

[ Section on Gettier revised 1/7/11 ]
[ Mention of Euthyphro dilemma as applied to epistemology revised 2/23/11 ]

When deciding whether knowledge is justified, true belief (Plato), a question arises: Is the truth of a belief 1) external to the knower and true whether or not the belief is recognized ‘by’ the knower as justified by the evidence (as realists would say), or is truth 2) internal to and therefore the evidence-based, best opinion of the knower (as anti-realists would say)?

Skeptics and anti-realists would say that if truth is external and evidence-independent, we have no basis to conclude a statement is true (to believe it)—its truth is beyond any knower.  Skeptics and realists would say that if it is internal, it is a fiction—sometimes a statement we thought was justified turns out to have been mistaken (“argument from error”), and sometimes we are right for the wrong reasons (Gettier problem examples, discussed below), so there is not a ‘necessary’ relationship between truth and justification (evidence)—so skeptics conclude truth cannot be known.

Response Dependence theorists try to answer skeptics and resolve the realism/anti-realism conflict by saying that truth is both external and internal—it is the best opinion of the most qualified knower. But is it the best opinion because they are the most qualified, or are they the most qualified because it is the best opinion? That is the Euthyphro Dilemma of truth, which is actually better worded this way: Are we justified in believing because it is true, or is it true because we are justified in believing? Socrates’ original Euthyphro Dilemma applies only to moral truth and can be rephrased: Is God optimally qualified to give his best opinion on the good, or is God optimally qualified to recognize the good when he sees it? It is a dilemma because if the answer is ‘best opinion’ then good is merely a construct, and if the answer is ‘recognize’ it means (setting epistemology aside for the moment) good is over and above him, when there shouldn’t be anything over and above God. This dilemma is resolved by granting that God ‘is’ the good he recognizes. However, returning to epistemology, skeptics about truth in general, if they grant (perhaps for the sake of argument) that God exists, will still insist that if moral truth is not merely an internal construct, then it is external and beyond any knower—even an omniscient one (an argument against omniscience).

Critical Realists answer skeptics and anti-realists (counting RD theorists) by saying that while a statement is true by correspondence (external to the knower), it is justified by the evidence (evaluated and flexibly reevaluated as needed, internally by the knower), and while it is ‘evidently’ (internally) “true” (externally) that sometimes we find out we are wrong (the skeptic’s “argument from error”), we only ‘know’ this because, in order to find out we are wrong, we must find out some other evidence is right (before we knew it was right, so ‘externally’) about an alternative statement that is true (externally) instead of the statement we were wrong about—so skepticism is self-defeating, relying on realist premises: truth can be known, is external to the knower and is evidence-independent. This is the resolution to the Euthyphro Dilemma of truth. Our belief is justified (in that we ought to believe) by the evidence, true by correspondence.

Like Hume’s is-ought fallacy, Gettier’s problem examples (see link in “Sources” below) show that there is not, nor can there be, a necessary relationship between truth (is) and justification (ought). The examples show that just because a belief is true, does not make it justified, and just because a belief is justified, does not make it true, which, if violated, commits Hume’s is-ought/ought-is fallacy. Hume’s is-ought fallacy is prevented from resulting in [moral] skepticism by requiring that knowledge [of a real ought] is belief that is justified by evidence (not by correspondence), and true by correspondence (not by justification/evidence). Although Gettier claimed to undermine the justified-true-belief definition of knowledge, he really only showed that when our belief is not both justified by evidence and true by correspondence, we can be 1) right for the wrong (or no) reasons (where Gettier went wrong was in allowing wrong reasons to count as right reasons, expanded upon here), or 2) wrong despite having right reasons. In the first case, our belief is true, but it is not justified. In the second case, our belief is justified, but it is not true. So, knowledge is when belief is both justified and true—when we are right for all the right reasons. If later we find out we were wrong [that our belief did not correspond, or that we were right for the wrong, or no, reasons], then we were not “knowing” in the first place. We only thought we were. But, now we ‘are’ knowing. We are knowing why we were wrong!

Only the critical realists can answer the skeptics by properly accounting for the progress in scientific knowledge, allowing for truth that is external (and so discoverable, rather than constructed) to the evaluative and reevaluative critical knower. “For to seriously doubt that Boyle was justified (as against Hobbes) when he affirmed the possibility of a vacuum is to undercut the grounds for rational belief in a whole vast range of subsequent developments and causal-explanatory theories,” (Norris, p. 180). Of course this is just one example of progress, among countless others. Plato is still right, despite all these years of progress, that knowledge is belief that is true by correspondence and justified by evidence.

Sources:

Christopher Norris’ “Epistemology”
Edmund Gettier’s “Is justified true belief knowledge?”
http://www.ditext.com/gettier/gettier.html
Socrates’ “Dialogue with Euthyphro”
David Hume’s “A Treatise of Human Nature”
Plato’s “Theaetetus”

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Notes: Genesis 12-15, Job 6-7

Genesis 12-15Job 6-7

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In “Eternity in their Hearts,” Don Richardson talks about the backbone of Christianity, the Abrahamic Covenant, made by God to Abraham 4,000 years ago and recorded in Genesis 12:1-3. Dr. Ralph Winter, director of the United States Center for World Mission in Pasadena, California, explains that everything before Genesis 12 is just introduction and that the main theme does not get underway until God utters “the promise” or “the promises” to Abraham. This theme, this promise, is the backbone of Christianity because it explains the motivation behind everything occurring in this narrative which is now 4,000 years in the making.

Richardson explains that the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8) is not an after-thought of Jesus, but is a continuation of the Abrahamic Covenant, and that He had been preparing His disciples for it for the length of His ministry.

1. Jesus’ Great Commission of all Christians is rooted in and is a continuance of the Abrahamic Covenant.

Genesis 12:1-3…

The top line: “I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse.” 

The bottom line: “. . .AND ALL PEOPLES ON EARTH WILL BE BLESSED THROUGH YOU.”

Zondervan NASB Study Bible note on vv.2-3: “In various ways and degrees, these promises were reaffirmed to Abram (v.7; 15:5-21; 17:4-8; 18:18-19; 22:17-18), to Isaac (26:2-4), to Jacob (28:13-15; 35:11-12; 46:3) and to Moses (Ex 3:6-8; 6:2-8). The seventh promise (Ichthus: all-peoples) is quoted in Acts 3:25 with reference to Peter’s Jewish listeners (see Acts 3:12)—Abram’s physical descendants—and in Gal 3:8 with reference to Paul’s Gentile listeners—Abram’s spiritual descendants.” 

Richardson muses, “We sense immediately that the God who would speak such words is no petty tribal god. He is a God whose plans are both benign and universal, spanning all ages and cultures. If He retaliates against enemies of Abraham, it is not just to protect Abraham, but also to keep the enemies from extinguishing a fire kindled to warm the whole world!”

Read more: http://ichthus77.blogspot.com/2008/01/abrahamic-covenant-backbone-of-gospel.html

It is interesting that the beginning and end of Abraham’s life sort of parallels the Trinity’s. In the beginning, he goes down to Egypt and then back again, as Jesus (Abraham’s descendant) did when he was born. He is in communication with the angel of the Lord, as was his descendant Jesus during his earthly ministry. In the end, he is prepared to sacrifice his only son, as the Father did his only Son (Abraham’s descendant).

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Notes: Genesis 11, Job 4-5

Genesis 11Job 4-5

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Genesis // The Tower of Babel is just good story-telling. In fact, Genesis 1-11 is just good story-telling, on par with Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia. Our Bible rocks because it has Genesis 1-11. Something I didn’t notice before is that their city- and name-building was in an effort to keep from being scattered, but that is what happens to them in the end, so the story goes. I think it is awesome that humans have been creative story-tellers and seekers of explanations (and both at the same time) almost since we were first able to communicate.

Job // …and Job’s friends are assumers of explanations. And you know what they say happens when we assume… Anyway. Eliphaz is like those friends who are there for you when the going gets rough, keeping their thoughts about ‘why’ the going is rough until they can just hold it in no longer, and then you get their well-meaning lecture. You’ve lost everything, you mourn it verbally and who could blame you? Your friends. Surely you don’t think you’re blameless and undeserving of suffering–no one is perfect, and the innocent do not suffer. Clearly you have some issue with God, because we all know God makes his followers rich and happy-go-lucky.

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Notes: Genesis 6-10, Job 2:11-3:26

Genesis 6-10Job 2:11-3:26

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Reading to discuss:

How should we interpret the Genesis flood account?

Whether or not one considers the flood global or local, reference to the Nephilim in Numbers was an exaggeration–the spies were just very afraid. Just a case of hyperbole. They even referred to themselves as grasshoppers.

I don’t think Dr. Francis Collins or those who agree with him (like myself) are scoffers.

Galileo was persecuted by the church for showing (well, continuing to show) the earth revolves around the sun (they used the Bible as counter-evidence then, too), but they eventually came around, and we’ll come around about evolution and the flood, too. Perhaps the story is written as if creation happened for six days and the the flood was global, but that does not mean there was a global flood or that creation lasted six days, nor does it necessarily discount the authority of scripture–nor more than ceasing to interpret certain language literally (1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalm 93:1, Psalm 96:10, Psalm 104:5, Ecclesiastes 1:5) undermined the authority of scripture in Galileo’s day, though the church at first thought it did.

Regarding “and also afterward” maybe research the original Hebrew and see if an alternative translation is more likely. Do all the translations read similarly?

Something I find interesting is that the angels (with Satan/adversary) are referred to as “sons of God” both in Genesis and Job. Similar language.

I like that Job’s friends sit there and say nothing for a week…they are just ‘there’ for him (at first, anyway). And I like that there is reality and all-out lament in the Bible. It isn’t pruned of the unpleasant, it isn’t just polite discussion.

Note: Job and Jobab are related words. There is another Jobab in Genesis 36, a king in Edom.

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Notes: Genesis 4-5, Job 2:1-10

Genesis 4-5Job 2:1-10

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Two of my favorite verses in the Bible:

 I love that God reasoned with Cain: “…if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”

I love Job’s response to his wife: “Shall we indeed accept good from God and not accept adversity?”

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Notes: Genesis 1-3, Job 1

Genesis 1-3Job 1

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Readings to discuss:

How was the Genesis creation story interpreted before Darwin?
What were the Christian responses to Darwin?
How does the Fall fit into evolutionary history? Were Adam and Eve historical figures?
At what point in the evolutionary process did humans attain “the image of God”?
Was there death before the Fall?
more

It is fascinating to read the beginning of Genesis and the whole of Job together…to compare them. Satan (meaning accuser/adversary; the serpent in Genesis) comes up in both of them, up to the same old tricks in both of them. And the humans involved…they always have a choice (freedom is at the center of both narratives–smack dab in the middle of the Garden, even, in Genesis). They both start out “righteous”. Adam and Eve have their fruit and they take it, Job has his cursing…but refuses it (Adam and Job are both badly influenced by their wives, but Job refuses the influence, whereas Adam passes the blame to his wife, who passes the blame to the serpent). Adam and Eve are aware of Satan (the serpent), Job is not. Adam and Eve do not consult God (to which they have access)–Job has a long speech/prayer, though he does not know if God will even answer. And in the end, God speaks to them both, and they both have to live with the consequences of their choices. Adam and Eve chose apart from God and so get separation from him, Job spoke to God throughout his struggle and is restored. And, in the ‘real’ end (there really is only one), Satan loses, either way.

It is fascinating to read the beginning of Genesis and the whole of Job together…to compare them. Satan (meaning accuser/adversary; the serpent in Genesis) comes up in both of them, up to the same old tricks in both of them. And the humans involved…they always have a choice (freedom is at the center of both narratives–smack dab in the middle of the Garden, even, in Genesis). They both start out “righteous”. Adam and Eve have their fruit and they take it, Job has his cursing…but refuses it (Adam and Job are both badly influenced by their wives, but Job refuses the influence, whereas Adam passes the blame to his wife, who passes the blame to the serpent). Adam and Eve are aware of Satan (the serpent), Job is not. Adam and Eve do not consult God (to which they have access)–Job has a long speech/prayer, though he does not know if God will even answer. And in the end, God speaks to them both, and they both have to live with the consequences of their choices. Adam and Eve chose apart from God and so get separation from him, Job spoke to God throughout his struggle and is restored. And, in the ‘real’ end (there really is only one), Satan loses, either way.

Job not occurring until at least the fourth generation after Abraham is kind of hard to determine, and where in the Genesis narrative would it be best to place Job in that light? I couldn’t decide. So I decided to just interweave it w/ all of Genesis. Plus there are the parallels :)

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