See also:
Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Faith for Kids” summary with commentary
I just updated two previous blog posts written in 2011 on Dr. McGrew‘s (Library of Historical Apologetics) (EPS author) undesigned coincidences (1, 2). I added some talks he has given since then, and linked to some of his newer resources, like this video (here is the full series of talks at Calvary Bible Church, with powerpoint and notes!), and the Audio Resources by Tim McGrew, including Internal Evidence for the Gospels by Tim McGrew (notes!) on Apologetics315.
The evidence called “undesigned coincidences” was resurrected from the archives of historical apologetics by Dr. Tim McGrew in early 2011, though a few mentions of it can be found earlier than that. You can find some material posted by the Christadelphians (they are Unitarians). I also found three books, one written in 2009, one it refers back to, written originally in the 50s and updated in the 90s, and one written in 1836, but is not among the ones mentioned by Dr. McGrew in one of my previous posts on u.c. (he does, however, refer back to J.J. Blunt and WIlliam Paley, where it all seems to have started, not counting the Bible).
There are undesigned coincidences I did not cover in my blog posts, which are covered in the newest talks to which I linked, so my posts need further updating (or perhaps I’ll just start a new one). I would also like to update the old posts to distinguish between internal and external, and reorder the numbering system accordingly.
I also want in *this* post to give a shout-out to some blog posts that have sprouted since Dr. McGrew’s 2011 resurrection of the “undesigned coincidences”…[there are also forums where u.c.s have been discussed: 1 (answered by Tim in a blog post below), 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 …some of them are deliberately abandoned, but feel free to resuscitate them if you feel it would be fruitful…]…
Berean church blog: Undesigned Coincidences by Dan Porte
CrossExamined: Undesigned Scriptural Coincidences: The Ring of Truth by Jonathan McLatchie
TC Apologetics: Scott Smith’s talk on Undesigned Coincidences
dangerous idea: Tim McGrew responds to Ed Babinski’s critique
Christian Apologetics Alliance: One example is used in The Nativity Defended by Jonathan McLatchie, more examples are given in J.w. Wartick’s Jesus’ Birth: How undesigned coincidences give evidence for the truth of the Gospel accounts, and he also points out that Jim Wallace lists some undesigned coincidences in chapter 12 of Cold Case Christianity (review).
J.w. Wartick: Forgotten Arguments for Christianity: Undesigned Coincidences- The argument stated
Thinking Matters: Tim McGrew on Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels
Triablogue: Undesigned coincidences
Lydia McGrew’s What’s Wrong with the World (and Extra Talks): A Talk on Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels and He Is Risen!
Gentle Reformation: Undesigned Coincidences – Tim McGrew
Psephizo: Undesigned Coincidences and historical reliability
The Gospel of Erik: (vid) Undesigned Coincidences: An argument for the veracity of the Gospels
Logos Apologia: Undesigned Coincidences from the Library of Historical Apologetics
MandM: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels – Tim McGrew
Wintery Knight: Tim McGrew explains how undesigned coincidences affect textual reliability (more)
theophilos: Undesigned coincidences inspired by the Holy Spirit
Biblo’s Blog: (audio) Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels
Bible Think: Undesigned Coincidences (see right sidebar for more) (full pdf) (might be Christadelphian)
What had happen’ was…: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels by Tim McGrew – Apologetics315
agnus dei: Undesigned Coincidences – Evidence for the historicity of the Gospels (Tim McGrew)
Dead Heroes Don’t Save: Undesigned Coincidences: Feeding the 5000
The World of the Bible: History and the Gospels: Undesigned Coincidences
Cold and Lonely Truth: External Biblical Coincidences (audio)
Lastly, Ben Williamson shares his Discovered Undesigned Coincidences
Hopefully even more bloggers take hold of this and spread the word about undesigned coincidences, and start sharing ones they themselves discover, like Ben! :0)
Reposting with additions in red. Originally posted July 7, 2011.
I am studying “the twelve facts” and want to get down what I’ve got so far. After the facts are displayed, we’re going to turn the whole thing into a logic puzzle. Added: Scroll down to the red lettering to work on this puzzle yourself. Share this thread on Facebook.
WATCH: Craig Hazen: Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?
Here are the 12 Facts:
1. Jesus died by Roman crucifixion. [1] [1b]
2. He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.
3. Soon afterwards the disciples were discouraged, bereaved and despondent, having lost hope.
4. Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.
5. The disciples had experiences that they believed were the actual appearances of the risen Christ. [2] [2b] [Note that this belief persisted despite Jews believing the resurrection does not happen to ‘one’ person in the ‘middle’ of history.]
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2 Corinthians 4:18 “So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” (retweet)
Believing in the unseen eternal is NOT blind faith. All faith verses need to be read in that light. The “New Atheists” and Christian fideists have a very warped, unbiblical definition of faith.
Faith is about trust and loyalty. You have faith in your spouse that s/he is faithful. This faith is not blind, and neither is biblical faith. Everyone in the Bible who has faith in the unseen (God’s unfulfilled promises about our eternal relationship with him), bases their faith on the reality that they have seen God fulfill other promises up to that point. The heroes of the faith in Hebrews 11 all based their faith on a God they saw working in their lives.
Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” (NIV)
“…about what we do not see…” YET!
Do you reject grace because you want people to pay for evil? Remember: You are relatively good by comparison to evil, but not by comparison to Perfect. (retweet)
When we stop loving/forgiving, it is because we stopped acknowledging God’s love and forgiveness, which motivates ours of others. (retweet)
James 2:17 “…faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” (NIV) If we can’t bring ourselves to forgive others, it is because we do not have faith that we are forgiven. (retweet)
Matthew 18:33 “Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?” (NIV) If we have faith that we are forgiven, we have no right to withhold forgiveness of others. (retweet)
Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (NIV) #GoldenRule Forgiveness does not mean the bar is lowered. The bar is Golden-Rule grace, and we are held to it. We are also forgiven for not measuring up to it, and should extend the same forgiveness. (retweet)
Romans 6:1-2 “Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (NIV) Withholding forgiveness brings a death that we have died to through God extending his forgiveness, which brings new life, especially when we extend it to others. (retweet)
Besides that, forgiveness is not the same as letting people get away with evil!…
Matthew 18:6 “…it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” (NIV) God is not going to let people get away with evil. (retweet)
Hebrews 12:6 “…because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” (NIV) God’s love is not weak. (retweet)
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The historical evidence for Jesus falls into three categories: non-Christian, historic Christian, and syncretistic (hybrid of previous two). It is “prejudicial to exclude automatically all Christian evidence…or to assume that all non-Christian evidence was necessarily more ‘objective.’ But even using only such non-Christian sources, there is ample evidence to confirm the main contours of the early Christian claims: Jesus was a Jew who lived in Israel during the first third of the first century; was born out of wedlock; intersected with the life and ministry of John the Baptist; attracted great crowds, especially because of his wondrous deeds; had a group of particularly close followers called disciples (five of whom are named); ran afoul of the Jewish religious authorities because of his controversial teachings sometimes deemed heretical or blasphemous; was crucified during the time of Pontius Pilate’s governorship of Judea (A.D. 26-36), and yet was believed by many of his followers to have been the Messiah, the anticipated liberator of Israel. His followers, therefore, continued consistently to grow in numbers, gathering together regularly for worship and instruction and even singing hymns to him as if he were a god (or God)” (p. 439-440, Groothuis).
So many websites claim Jesus never existed, but those who have actually investigated the issue are “virtually unanimous today in rejecting this view, regardless of their theological or ideological perspectives” (p.439, Groothuis). For example, see Bart Ehrman’s “Did Jesus Exist?”
Non-Christian Evidence
Objection: We have a sparse amount of information about the historical person of Jesus from non-Christians.
Answer:
1. History and biography focused on royalty, military action, and the wealthy
2. Non-Christians had no reason to predict Jesus’ spreading influence, and so it is remarkable that as much has been preserved outside Christian circles
3. Most ancient docs have been lost (including secular)
* “A dozen or more references to Jesus appear in non-Christian Jewish, Greek and Roman sources in the earliest centuries of the Common Era.” (ibid) [Jewish historian Josephus, several different portions of the Talmud (rabbinic traditions); Greek writers Lucian of Samosata, Mara bar Serapion; Roman historians Thallus, Tacitus, Pliny and Suetonius.]
** “Tacitus, for example, in the early second century, writes about Nero’s persecution of Christians and then explains, “The founder of this name, Christ, had been executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate” (Annals 44.3). The Talmud repeatedly acknowledges that Jesus worked miracles but refers to him as one who ‘practiced magic and led Israel astray’ (Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin43a, cf. Tosefta Shabbath 11.15; Babylonian Talmud Shabbath104b). Josephus, in the late first century, calls Jesus ‘a wise man,’ ‘a worker of amazing deeds,’ ‘a teacher’ and ‘one accused by the leading men among us [who] condemned him to the cross’ (Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3).” (ibid)
Christian Evidence
The four Gospels give us the most, and most important, information about Jesus, but they are not the earliest documents. Paul’s letters (probably started in the 40s) were written by the 50s and came before the Gospels, which were not written before the 60s.
The Apostle Paul
Paul’s letters show he had a good knowledge of Jesus in 3 ways:
1. “Paul clearly knows the basic outline of Jesus’ life. ‘What Paul appears to know about Jesus is that he was born as a human (Rom. 9.5) to a woman and under the law, that is, as a Jew (Gal. 4.4), that he was descended from David’s line (Rom. 1.3; 15:12) though he was not like Adam (Rom. 5.15), that he had brothers, including one named James (1 Cor. 9.5; Gal. 1:19), that he had a meal on the night he was betrayed (1 Cor. 1:23-25), that he was crucified and died on a cross (Phil. 2:8; 1 Cor. 1:23; 8.11; 15.3; Rom. 4:25; 5.6, 8; 1 Thess. 2.15; 4.14, etc.), was buried (1 Cor. 15.4), and was raised three days later (1 Cor. 15.4; Rom. 4:25; 8.34; 1 Thess. 4.14, etc.), and that afterwards he was seen by Peter, the disciples and others (1 Cor. 15:5-7)’” (p.442, ibid).
2. He knows very specific, wide range of Jesus’ teachings. Not exhaustive:
There are 5 factors supporting the probability that the Synoptics are historically accurate about Jesus:
2. Literary genre: Historical. Luke’s prologue similar to serious histories of that time (Josephus and the Greeks: Herodotus, Thucydides, Polybius, Lucian; Greco-Roman ‘technical prose’ or ‘scientific literature’). Luke 1:1-4.
STROBEL: Objection 1: What about Mark and Luke saying that Jesus sent the demons into the swine at Gerasa, while Matthew says it was in Gadara? Gerasa isn’t even near the Sea of Galilee. Answer: Khersa (in Hebrew sounding like Gerasa) has been excavated at the right point on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee. Gerasa is in the province of Gadara. Objection 2: What about the discrepancies between the genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and Luke? Answer: Option 1: Matthew reflects Joseph’s lineage, Luke reflects Mary’s, and they converge at a common blood ancestor. Option 2: Luke reflects Joseph’s human lineage, Matthew reflects Joseph’s legal lineage, and they diverge when someone did not have direct offspring, but raised up heirs through an OT legal practice. Also: Some names are omitted (acceptable in the ancient world) and there are textual variants that result in confusing a name for a different individual.
1. More passages in John than not find no parallel in any Synoptic Gospel.
“Interlocking” of John with the Synoptics (“undesigned coincidences“)
1. “John 3:24 refers in passing to the Baptist’s imprisonment, but only the Synoptists ever narrate that event (Mark 4:14-29 and parallels).” (458, ibid)
2. “John knows Jesus was tried before the high priest Caiaphas (John 18:24, 28), but only the Synoptics describe this trial’s proceedings or its outcome (Mark 14:57-58).” (ibid)
3. “But nothing elsewhere in their narratives prepares the reader for this charge. John 2:19, on the other hand, includes Jesus’ allegation that if the Jewish leaders destroyed ‘this temple,’ he would rebuild it in three days, but it goes on to explain that he was speaking of the temple of his body, that is, an allusion to his death and resurrection. This, however, is a saying that could easily be twisted into what the Synoptics claim the false witnesses declared.” (ibid)
4. “Why did the Jewish leaders enlist the help of the Roman governor Pilate (Mark 15:1-3 and parallels), when their law was clear enough in prescribing the death penalty—by stoning—for blasphemers? Only John gives us the answer: under Roman occupation the Jews were forbidden from carrying out this portion of their law (John 18:31).” (ibid)
Resolutions to apparent contradictions between John and the Synoptics not mentioned and resolved above:
1. Mark chose to include only one visit of the adult Jesus to Jerusalem, at the Passover during which eh was crucified, which Matthew and Luke then followed.
2. John and the Synoptics contradict eachother over the day of the Last Supper.
-Synoptics describe it as a Passover meal (Mark 14:12, 14, 16)
-John (according to a misinterpretation) places it the day before the beginning of Passover festival (John 13:1, 29; 18:28; 19:14, 31)
-John 13:1 “just before Passover feast” v.29 evening meal in progress: Passover has now arrived, rather than this evening meal being a different, earlier one.
-Judas secured “what was needed for the festival” (John 13:29) for the rest of the week.
-Some thought he was going to give something to poor because that is tranditionally done on the opening evening of Passover.
-Friday morning the Jewish leaders do not want to defile themselves for the midday meal, since sundown removes defilement for the evening meal (John 18:28)
-John 19:14 could be easily rendered “It was the day of Preparation during Passover week” (Friday, for the Jewish Sabbath, or Saturday).
-v.31 confirms the next day is the Sabbath.
Topography and Archaeology
John is the most overtly theological, but also supplies the greatest amount of geographical info. of the 4 Gospels, despite not setting out to do so (John 20:31).
1. The pool of Bethesda with its five porticoes near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem (John 5:2)
2. The pool of Siloam in Jerusalem (John 9:7)
3. Jacob’s well at Sychar (John 4:5-6)
4. The paving stones of Gabbatha (John 19:13)
5. Inscriptional evidence for Pontius Pilate (John 18:29)
6. Evidence of Roman use of nails through the ankles for crucified victims (Luke 24:39, John 20:25).
Literary Genre
1. Takes more liberties or artistic license than the Synoptics (John 3:13-21)
2. More overtly theological than Synoptics, in keeping with historiographical conventions of the day.
3. John’s work is still closer to the Synoptics than any other form of ancient writing.
4. His form most closely mirrored relatively trustworthy biographies.
5. There are numerous conceptual parallels with passages in the Synoptics.
6. There is a commitment to providing trustworthy testimony (John 21:24-25)
Syncretistic Evidence
I’m not going to go into detail, but contrasting the canonical (uniquely accurate, authoritative, on par w/ the OT) Gospels with the Gnostic and apocryphal Gospels shows how the canonical Gospels are far superior historically. Those who are suspicious of the canonical Gospels have far more reason to be suspicious of the extracanonical sources. If you lower the bar so far that you accept the extracanonical sources, you must accept the canonical Gospels, for which the bar is set much higher.
The Gnostic Gospels
In sum, just after WWII, a cache of codices (the Gnostic Gospels) was unearthed in Egypt at a site known as Nag Hammadi. They were written between the 2nd and 6thcenturies and contained a hybrid, syncretistic mythology, a Greek Christianity. They reflected that matter is evil (and so were either ascetic or hedonistic), and only the spirit is redeemed, salvation is not through Jesus’ bodily death and resurrection, but through esoteric knowledge, and only those in whom the gods had implanted the divine spark could be saved. They were anti-Semitic (against laws and the Jewish God). Only tiny bits of narrative are found, if any, whereas the canonical Gospels closely resemble ancient historiography and biography. Note how they chose the names of exemplary figures to be their fictitious authors, in contrast to Matthew, Mark and Luke.
Only Coptic Gospel of Thomas is likely to preserve any historical information about Jesus, but it may not. STROBEL: It was written A.D. 140.
The rest of the documents “are usually collections of lengthy, esoteric monologues attributed to Jesus after the resurrection in secret conversation with one or more of the disciples about the nature of heavenly beings and entities far removed from the down-to-earth practical ethics of Jesus of Nazareth. …devote almost all their attention to speculation about Jesus’ heavenly origins and relationships, the nature of humanity in its fallenness and in redemption, parallel realities between earth and heaven, and the like.” (465-466, ibid)
4 Apocryphal Gospels
1. Infancy Gospel of Thomas—Jesus made birds of clay he gave the breath of life, and withered up a bully.
2. Protoevangelium of James—Describes Mary’s immaculate conception (lust-free) and labor (midwives verified the hymen was left in-tact).
3. Gospel of Nicodemus—Jesus goes to hell.
4. Gospel of Peter—Souped up resurrection account with huge heads.
Text and Translation
5,700 (STROBEL: 5,664) handwritten Greek manuscripts of part or all of the New Testament remain in existence.
STROBEL: Objection: The original manuscripts are lost and we just have copies of copies of copies. Answer: Having multiple copies to compare means they can be tested for variations and learn about the originals. We have copies dating within a couple generations of the originals. Other ancient texts have a gap of five-ten centuries between original and earliest copy.
STROBEL: Compared to other ancient texts:
-Tacitus’ Annals of Imperial Romewritten in A.D. 116. First six books exist in one manuscript copied about A.D. 850. Books eleven through sixteen are in another manuscript copied in the eleventh century. Books seven through ten are lost.
-Josephus’ The Jewish War written in the first century. Copies written in the tenth, eleventh and twelfth centuries. Latin translation in the fourth century, medieval Russian materials from the eleventh or twelfth century.
-Homer’s Iliad composed about 800 B.C. with fewer than 650 Greek manuscripts copied in the second and third century A.D. (thousand years!), some quite fragmentary.
-New Testament: More than 5,664 Greek manuscripts. Papyrus manuscripts going back to 200 A.D., a fragment of John going back to between A.D. 100 to 150. 306 uncial manuscripts going back A.D. 350. 2,856 miniscule manuscripts, emerged in roughly A.D. 800. 2,403 lectionaries of early church.
97% of the New Testament (what the original authors wrote) can be reconstructed from those manuscripts and lectionaries.
No Christian belief or doctrine depends on a textually disputed passage. STROBEL: Eyeglasses weren’t invented until 1373, inattentiveness, short-term memory loss as eyes scan between original and copy (write things out of sequence, but Greek is an inflected language), differences in spelling. There are two hundred thousand variants because if a word is misspelled in two thousand manuscripts, it’s counted as two thousand variants.
-1 John 5:7-8 is not found in the earliest manuscripts, but only in about 7 or 8 copies from the fifteenth or sixteenth century. But the doctrine of the Trinity does not depend on those two verses, as it is represented in many others.
-Any good Bible documents the significant variations in the footnotes.
Differences in translation (linguistic philosophy) still leave in tact all the fundamentals of the faith.
The Formation of the Canon
Lists of accepted books were compiled largely in response to unorthodox teachings (like those promoted by various Gnostic sects). Again, there is no record any Gnostics ever offered up any of their books for inclusion in any canon.
STROBEL: Objection 1: They only decided to write things down when they realized Jesus wasn’t coming back soon, after all. Answer: Jews kept and recorded prophecies of the imminence of the Day of the Lord, despite their continuing history.
In A.D. 367, Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria listed the 27 books in his Easter encyclical, and “ecumenical councils in both Carthage and Hippos in North Africa at the end of the fourth century ratified this common consensus.” (p.470)
Documents in dispute that did not make it in…writings known as the Apostolic Fathers…garnered less enthusiasm than even the most “weakly supported of the letters that did ‘make it in’.” (p.471) No one suppressed any Gnostic or apocryphal material, because no canon ever did include them, and no one ever put them forward for inclusion. If they had, they would have failed the criteria for apostolicity (written by apostle or close associate), coherence (not contradicting previously accepted Scripture) and catholicity (widespread acceptance as relevant and normative in all major segments of early Christian community (p.471).
Miracles and the Resurrection
Other documents contain miracle narratives that don’t rule out the rest of their historical data. For example, accounts of Julius Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon River, et cetera, is accompanied by miraculous apparitions, along with problems of harmony and dating. Still, classicists confidently recover substantial historical information from these accounts (p.472). The corroborating evidence for the miracles in the Bible are stronger than for extrabiblical accounts (ones which are not accepted as genuine…although some accounts are accepted if they pass stringent criteria).
If there is any copy-catting going on, it is Christianity being copy-catted later, because pre-Christian traditions do not present close parallels to NT Gospels’ miracles. (p.473)
Five Undisputed Historical Facts
(and they are difficult to explain if resurrection didn’t happen)
1. Jesus’ followers went from hiding in fear, to boldly proclaiming, overnight.
Theories that are alternatives to the resurrection take more faith to believe.
History provides enough support so that a spirit of trust is a natural response when presented with difficult questions or life situations.
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Chapter 18 of Groothuis’ Christian Apologetics is on Pascals’ anthropological argument, which can be summarized this way (a version friendly to theistic evolution)…
1. Each human is aware, or is attempting to distract ourselves from the reality, that we are a paradox of greatness and wretchedness. (Many examples are given as evidence.)
2. The best explanation of this paradox is found in two biblical revelations: a) we are meant to be in the image of God (characterized by, and behaving according to, Golden Rule love), and b) our Fall from the Way we are meant to be. (This is the abductive conclusion.)
3. Therefore, the worldview of Christianity is worthy of respect.
Furthermore, Jesus’ incarnation/redemption is God’s ultimate demonstration of greatness, of Golden Rule love, by dying in our place.
A less wordy version, made into an inductive argument (using the abductive conclusion in the second premise), from my friend Roland McConnell, who is skeptical of theistic evolution:
1. Man is a paradox of greatness and wretchedness.
2. The biblical revelation of man’s creation and his subsequent fall is the best explanation of this paradox.
3. Therefore, the biblical doctrines of creation and the fall are probably true.
What I love about this chapter is:
1. Biblical talk of “mystery” and “foolishness” finally makes sense to me (related to #4 below). It cannot be arrived at solely by human deduction/induction, but the revelation “is” the best explanation (abductively)…as opposed to being contrary to reason, or illogical (anti-Logos).
2. It has a footnote that is friendly to theistic evolutionists (16).
3. It’s talk of “diversion” (also mentioned in other parts of the book) reminds me of existentialist philosophers.
“…we are always engaged in something (the state of being engaged in something Heidegger called care–Sorge). Sometimes this involves caring for others, but mostly it involves engaging in our own existence: We fret, we worry, we look forward to something … We are always engaged in some part of our reality, unless we get caught up in another deeper element of human nature: a mood, such as dread or anguish–Angst,” (422).
4. It helped me finally understand how abductive reasoning differs from deductive and inductive. With deductive reasoning, if the premises are true, the conclusion ‘must’ be true. With inductive reasoning, the premises add to the weight of the conclusion’s probability. With abductive reasoning, the conclusion best explains the premises, rather than ‘having’ to be true if the premises are true (as in deduction), and rather than being supported or made more probable by the premises (as in induction)–the abductive conclusion is not something that would be suggested by the premises alone, but which does better explain them than other rival theories.
Some other topics we discussed at our apologetics study group:
1. Roland brought this up. Do the scientists/philosophers who talk about “well-being” and the “science of morality” emphasize merely our greatness (as the Stoics did), merely our wretchedness (as the skeptics did), or both? If both, do they explain the paradox better than Christianity? My thoughts: What perfectly well being in reality do their beliefs describe, if they deny the existence of a perfectly well being? To what being in reality are their beliefs true? If there is no such great being, then they would seem to emphasize our wretchedness. But, if they think we can be no greater than we are, and that evil is an illusion (as Sam Harris gets around to saying in “The Moral Landscape“), then they would seem to over-emphasize our greatness. Thoughts?
2. By wretchedness, is Pascal meaning what Paul means by “the flesh”? Does he ever come out and say that? My friend Pam and I both had those passages popping into our minds as we read this chapter. Roland thinks the answer is that obviously they are the same.
Thoughts on any of the above? :0)
(discussion index)