"Objections to Faith" by David Spikes (12 yrs. old)

Sometimes people have objections about Christianity, such as “a loving God would never send people to hell,” or “since evil and suffering exist, a good God cannot,” or “miracles contradict science, so they cannot exist.”

One objection is that a loving God would never send people to Hell. Though Hell exists, it doesn’t mean that God sends people there. People have a choice whether to go to Heaven or Hell. It all depends on whether you accept God or not. If you don’t accept God right off the bat and then all of the sudden die, it doesn’t mean that you’ll be sent to Hell. It says in the Bible, whoever repents God is willing to save. The main consequence of not accepting God into your heart is forever separation from God in Hell.  Though Hell is the worst punishment possible, it is not covered in flames and unimaginably hot.  When it mentions flames in Hell in the bible, it is speaking figuratively. In the Bible it says how Jesus arrived surrounded by flames, with a sword in his mouth. To arrive with a sword in his mouth means that he used very powerful words (and I don’t mean that his words had super powers). Hell is supposed to be a place of darkness anyway. Flames would light things up. Again, God doesn’t send people to Hell; they have the choice to go there. The only sin that could get you into Hell is not accepting God, slamming the door in His face, and mocking Him.

Another commonly suggested objection is that, if evil and suffering exist, a good God cannot. I’m going to start out with an example. If you were to help your child along the way with everything they do, they wouldn’t exactly learn anything. They would end up being 34 and still living with their mother. In another situation, if you come across a bear caught in a bear trap the good thing to do would be to help it get free. You want to help but it tries to kill you every time you get close because it’s afraid. Then you shoot in with a tranquilizer dart and now it really thinks you’re out to get him. You then have to push his leg farther into the trap to release the trap. The bear would be thinking, “Why are you making me suffer?” This is basically what everyone goes through sometime in their life. Everything that God does is for your own good, even when it SEEMS that he could never hate you more. God also gives you the choice to love him or not. If he didn’t give you the choice then it wouldn’t be called real love. It’s just like how if you have a doll that will say “I love you,” every time you pull a string. That’s not real love. That’s forced love.  Even when in suffering, no matter whom you are, killer or Christian, God loves you with all of His heart and more.

My last objection is that miracles contradict science so they cannot exist.  “Suppose an apple falls from a tree. That illustrates the law of gravity. The apple will simply fall to the ground. However, what if I reached out and caught the apple before it hit the ground? Am I overturning the laws of gravity? Am I negating the law of gravity? No, not at all.  All I am doing is intervening. And that’s simply what God does when he performs a miracle. He doesn’t suspend the natural laws that govern the world or over turn them; he simply chooses to intervene. If I can intervene and catch the apple before it hits the ground, then certainly God can intervene in a similar way to accomplish what he wants to accomplish,” J.P. Moreland, philosopher. J.P. Moreland is saying that God doesn’t contradict science; all he is doing is intervening or catching the apple.

Again, many people have objections about the Christian faith, but there is a point where objections will keep coming until the person will realize that God is the correct path to take. A loving God will allow suffering for your own good. He will intervene in your life. He will teach discipline and most of all He will love you, no matter who you are.

See also:
Lee Strobel’s “The Case for Faith for Kids” summary with commentary
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Undesigned Coincidences (resurrected by Dr. Tim McGrew in 2011)

I just updated two previous blog posts written in 2011 on Dr. McGrews (Library of Historical Apologetics) (EPS author) undesigned coincidences (1, 2).  I added some talks he has given since then, and linked to some of his newer resources, like this video (here is the full series of talks at Calvary Bible Church, with powerpoint and notes!), and the Audio Resources by Tim McGrew, including Internal Evidence for the Gospels by Tim McGrew (notes!) on Apologetics315.

The evidence called “undesigned coincidences” was resurrected from the archives of historical apologetics by Dr. Tim McGrew in early 2011, though a few mentions of it can be found earlier than that. You can find some material posted by the Christadelphians (they are Unitarians). I also found three books, one written in 2009, one it refers back to, written originally in the 50s and updated in the 90s, and one written in 1836, but is not among the ones mentioned by Dr. McGrew in one of my previous posts on u.c. (he does, however, refer back to J.J. Blunt and WIlliam Paley, where it all seems to have started, not counting the Bible).

There are undesigned coincidences I did not cover in my blog posts, which are covered in the newest talks to which I linked, so my posts need further updating (or perhaps I’ll just start a new one). I would also like to update the old posts to distinguish between internal and external, and reorder the numbering system accordingly.

I also want in *this* post to give a shout-out to some blog posts that have sprouted since Dr. McGrew’s 2011 resurrection of the “undesigned coincidences”…[there are also forums where u.c.s have been discussed: 1 (answered by Tim in a blog post below), 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 …some of them are deliberately abandoned, but feel free to resuscitate them if you feel it would be fruitful…]…

Berean church blog: Undesigned Coincidences by Dan Porte

CrossExamined: Undesigned Scriptural Coincidences: The Ring of Truth by Jonathan McLatchie

TC Apologetics: Scott Smith’s talk on Undesigned Coincidences

dangerous idea: Tim McGrew responds to Ed Babinski’s critique

Christian Apologetics Alliance: One example is used in The Nativity Defended by Jonathan McLatchie, more examples are given in J.w. Wartick’s Jesus’ Birth: How undesigned coincidences give evidence for the truth of the Gospel accounts, and he also points out that Jim Wallace lists some undesigned coincidences in chapter 12 of Cold Case Christianity (review).

J.w. Wartick: Forgotten Arguments for Christianity: Undesigned Coincidences- The argument stated


Thinking Matters: Tim McGrew on Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels

Triablogue: Undesigned coincidences

Lydia McGrew’s What’s Wrong with the World (and Extra Talks): A Talk on Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels and He Is Risen!

Gentle Reformation: Undesigned Coincidences – Tim McGrew

Psephizo: Undesigned Coincidences and historical reliability

The Gospel of Erik: (vid) Undesigned Coincidences: An argument for the veracity of the Gospels

Logos Apologia: Undesigned Coincidences from the Library of Historical Apologetics

MandM: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels – Tim McGrew

Wintery Knight: Tim McGrew explains how undesigned coincidences affect textual reliability (more)

theophilos: Undesigned coincidences inspired by the Holy Spirit

Biblo’s Blog: (audio) Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels

Bible Think: Undesigned Coincidences (see right sidebar for more) (full pdf) (might be Christadelphian)

What had happen’ was…: Undesigned Coincidences in the Gospels by Tim McGrew – Apologetics315

agnus dei: Undesigned Coincidences – Evidence for the historicity of the Gospels (Tim McGrew)

Dead Heroes Don’t Save: Undesigned Coincidences: Feeding the 5000

The World of the Bible: History and the Gospels: Undesigned Coincidences

Cold and Lonely Truth: External Biblical Coincidences (audio)

Lastly, Ben Williamson shares his Discovered Undesigned Coincidences

Hopefully even more bloggers take hold of this and spread the word about undesigned coincidences, and start sharing ones they themselves discover, like Ben! :0)

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A "Twelve Facts" resurrection logic puzzle

Reposting with additions in red. Originally posted July 7, 2011.

I am studying “the twelve facts” and want to get down what I’ve got so far. After the facts are displayed, we’re going to turn the whole thing into a logic puzzle. Added: Scroll down to the red lettering to work on this puzzle yourself. Share this thread on Facebook.

WATCH: Craig Hazen: Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?

Here are the 12 Facts:

1. Jesus died by Roman crucifixion. [1] [1b]

2. He was buried, most likely in a private tomb.

3. Soon afterwards the disciples were discouraged, bereaved and despondent, having lost hope.

4. Jesus’ tomb was found empty very soon after his interment.

5. The disciples had experiences that they believed were the actual appearances of the risen Christ. [2] [2b] [Note that this belief persisted despite Jews believing the resurrection does not happen to ‘one’ person in the ‘middle’ of history.]
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Biblical faith in the "unseen" does not equal "blind" faith.

2 Corinthians 4:18 “So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal.” (retweet)

Believing in the unseen eternal is NOT blind faith. All faith verses need to be read in that light. The “New Atheists” and Christian fideists have a very warped, unbiblical definition of faith.

Faith is about trust and loyalty.  You have faith in your spouse that s/he is faithful.  This faith is not blind, and neither is biblical faith. Everyone in the Bible who has faith in the unseen (God’s unfulfilled promises about our eternal relationship with him), bases their faith on the reality that they have seen God fulfill other promises up to that point. The heroes of the faith in Hebrews 11 all based their faith on a God they saw working in their lives. 

Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see.” (NIV)

“…about what we do not see…” YET!


Romans 8:24 “For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?” (NIV)

So, keep in mind that when you read, “For we live by faith, not by sight” (2 Corinthians 5:7, NIV), you are NOT reading about blind faith! You are reading about placing your hope in the unchanging eternal (it is still in the future from your current perspective), rather than getting discouraged by the vicissitudes of the things you see now.

You may not see God working in your life…yet. But there is evidence of him everywhere, and he is drawing you to it–he’s been here all along.  Check out the theistic arguments from natural theology.  Check out the evidence from history.  Don’t stop with those links–they are not even the tip of the tip of the iceberg for you to explore.  

A.sk, S.eek, K.nock (A.S.K.)
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Rejecting grace because the evil don’t pay?

Do you reject grace because you want people to pay for evil? Remember: You are relatively good by comparison to evil, but not by comparison to Perfect. (retweet)

When we stop loving/forgiving, it is because we stopped acknowledging God’s love and forgiveness, which motivates ours of others. (retweet)

James 2:17 “…faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.” (NIV) If we can’t bring ourselves to forgive others, it is because we do not have faith that we are forgiven. (retweet)

Matthew 18:33 “Shouldn’t you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?” (NIV) If we have faith that we are forgiven, we have no right to withhold forgiveness of others. (retweet)

Matthew 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” (NIV) #GoldenRule Forgiveness does not mean the bar is lowered.  The bar is Golden-Rule grace, and we are held to it. We are also forgiven for not measuring up to it, and should extend the same forgiveness. (retweet)

Romans 6:1-2 “Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?” (NIV) Withholding forgiveness brings a death that we have died to through God extending his forgiveness, which brings new life, especially when we extend it to others. (retweet)

Besides that, forgiveness is not the same as letting people get away with evil!…

Matthew 18:6 “…it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.” (NIV) God is not going to let people get away with evil. (retweet)

Hebrews 12:6 “…because the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son.” (NIV) God’s love is not weak. (retweet)

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The difference between atheism, theism, and agnosticism.

The difference between atheism, theism, and agnosticism.

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The difference between atheism, theism, and agnosticism.

The chart below is made in response to this chart, which was meant to show that atheism is not a belief, and that there can be agnostic atheists and agnostic theists.  
In contrast, my chart shows atheism ‘is’ a belief and that there is no such thing as an agnostic atheist or agnostic theist (only an ‘agnostic’–that’s why there are two boxes for that view, though they could easily be combined into one).  Previous articles on this topic are below the chart and may or may not need some rethinking in light of this chart.



















Previous articles:

Jerry Coyne vs. Stephen Meyers
Replace agnosticism with apisticism on every belief scaleNovember 11, 2010

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Groothuis’ “Christian Apologetics” ch.19: Jesus of Nazareth. Also: Strobel’s “The Case for Christ” chs.1-3

I am studying both Groothuis’ Christian Apologetics ch.19 and Strobel’s chs.1-3 (supplementing) because they cover the same material.  I may come back and update with more Strobel.  Groothuis’ chapter is written by Craig Blomberg, whereas Strobel’s chapters result from an interview with Blomberg and Metzger.  Without planning, it just so happened that my church’s apologetics group hit chapter 19 just as Monte Vista Chapel started their “The Case for Christ” series.  I have tried to cover the essentials without posting the whole contents.  I’m afraid much of it is quoted without always providing exact quotation marks or locations in the text where the content can be found.  Credit goes to Groothuis, Strobel, Blomberg and Metzger.  I have inserted nothing (or very little) of my own.



I also recommend googling for “Tim McGrew Apologetics 315” as he has some great lectures on these topics.

The historical evidence for Jesus falls into three categories:  non-Christian, historic Christian, and syncretistic (hybrid of previous two).  It is “prejudicial to exclude automatically all Christian evidence…or to assume that all non-Christian evidence was necessarily more ‘objective.’  But even using only such non-Christian sources, there is ample evidence to confirm the main contours of the early Christian claims:  Jesus was a Jew who lived in Israel during the first third of the first century; was born out of wedlock; intersected with the life and ministry of John the Baptist; attracted great crowds, especially because of his wondrous deeds; had a group of particularly close followers called disciples (five of whom are named); ran afoul of the Jewish religious authorities because of his controversial teachings sometimes deemed heretical or blasphemous; was crucified during the time of Pontius Pilate’s governorship of Judea (A.D. 26-36), and yet was believed by many of his followers to have been the Messiah, the anticipated liberator of Israel.  His followers, therefore, continued consistently to grow in numbers, gathering together regularly for worship and instruction and even singing hymns to him as if he were a god (or God)” (p. 439-440, Groothuis).

So many websites claim Jesus never existed, but those who have actually investigated the issue are “virtually unanimous today in rejecting this view, regardless of their theological or ideological perspectives” (p.439, Groothuis).  For example, see Bart Ehrman’s “Did Jesus Exist?”

Non-Christian Evidence

Objection:  We have a sparse amount of information about the historical person of Jesus from non-Christians.

Answer:

1.  History and biography focused on royalty, military action, and the wealthy
2.  Non-Christians had no reason to predict Jesus’ spreading influence, and so it is remarkable that as much has been preserved outside Christian circles
3.  Most ancient docs have been lost (including secular)

* “A dozen or more references to Jesus appear in non-Christian Jewish, Greek and Roman sources in the earliest centuries of the Common Era.” (ibid)  [Jewish historian Josephus, several different portions of the Talmud (rabbinic traditions); Greek writers Lucian of Samosata, Mara bar Serapion; Roman historians Thallus, Tacitus, Pliny and Suetonius.]

** “Tacitus, for example, in the early second century, writes about Nero’s persecution of Christians and then explains, “The founder of this name, Christ, had been executed in the reign of Tiberius by the procurator Pontius Pilate” (Annals 44.3).  The Talmud repeatedly acknowledges that Jesus worked miracles but refers to him as one who ‘practiced magic and led Israel astray’ (Babylonian Talmud Sanhedrin43a, cf. Tosefta Shabbath 11.15; Babylonian Talmud Shabbath104b).  Josephus, in the late first century, calls Jesus ‘a wise man,’ ‘a worker of amazing deeds,’ ‘a teacher’ and ‘one accused by the leading men among us [who] condemned him to the cross’ (Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3).” (ibid)

Christian Evidence

The four Gospels give us the most, and most important, information about Jesus, but they are not the earliest documents.  Paul’s letters (probably started in the 40s) were written by the 50s and came before the Gospels, which were not written before the 60s.

The Apostle Paul

Paul’s letters show he had a good knowledge of Jesus in 3 ways:

1.  “Paul clearly knows the basic outline of Jesus’ life.  ‘What Paul appears to know about Jesus is that he was born as a human (Rom. 9.5) to a woman and under the law, that is, as a Jew (Gal. 4.4), that he was descended from David’s line (Rom. 1.3; 15:12) though he was not like Adam (Rom. 5.15), that he had brothers, including one named James (1 Cor. 9.5; Gal. 1:19), that he had a meal on the night he was betrayed (1 Cor. 1:23-25), that he was crucified and died on a cross (Phil. 2:8; 1 Cor. 1:23; 8.11; 15.3; Rom. 4:25; 5.6, 8; 1 Thess. 2.15; 4.14, etc.), was buried (1 Cor. 15.4), and was raised three days later (1 Cor. 15.4; Rom. 4:25; 8.34; 1 Thess. 4.14, etc.), and that afterwards he was seen by Peter, the disciples and others (1 Cor. 15:5-7)’” (p.442, ibid).

2.  He knows very specific, wide range of Jesus’ teachings.  Not exhaustive:

-1 Corinthians 11:23-25 quotes Jesus’ words over the bread and the cup at the Last Supper, using language close to Luke’s 22:19-20.
-1 Corinthians 9:14 (Matthew 10:10; Luke 10:7) Receive living from the Gospel.
-Jesus opposed divorce. (1 Cor. 7:10; Mark 10:2-12)
-Jesus supported paying taxes. (Rom. 13.7; Mark 12:17)
-Love and pray for enemies instead of repaying evil for evil (Rom. 12:14, 17-19; Matt. 5:38; Luke 6:27-28, 36).
-Tolerate eachother on morally neutral matters (Rom. 14.13; Matt. 7:1; Luke 6:37)
-Declared all foods clean (Rom. 14:14; Mark 7:18-19)
-Warned of judgment on Israel’s leaders (1 Thess. 4:15-17; 5:2-6; Matt 24-25)

3.  Paul knew the early oral traditions of Jesus’ resurrection.  1 Corinthians 15:1,3-6 (STROBEL: received around A.D. 35).  STROBEL:  Philippians 2:6-11, Colossians 1:15-20.

The Gospels

The Synoptic Gospels are more alike than different.  John is more different than similar to any one of the Synoptics.  Because the Synoptics confirm eachother, they are more trusted for the “broad contours and most central items common to them” including:  “Jesus was a Jewish teacher who was raised as a carpenter but who began a public ministry when he was around the age of thirty.  He submitted himself to John’s baptism, announced both the present and future dimensions of God’s kingdom (or reign) on earth, gave love-based ethical injunctions to his listeners, taught a considerable amount in parables, challenged conventional interpretations of the Jewish law on numerous fronts but never broke (or taught others to break) the written law, wrought amazing signs and wonders to demonstrate the arrival of the kingdom, implicitly and explicitly claimed to be the Messiah or liberator of the Jewish people but only inasmuch as they became his followers, and counterculturally believed that he had to suffer and die for the sins of the world, be raised from the dead and return to his heavenly throne next to Yahweh, only to return to earth at some unspecified point in the future, ushering in Judgment Day.  He called all people to repent of their sins and form the nucleus of the new, true, freed people of God led by his twelve apostles.” (444, ibid).

There are 5 factors supporting the probability that the Synoptics are historically accurate about Jesus:


1.  Authorship and date.
-Mark is a minor character, deserted Paul.
-STROBEL:  Papias in A.D. 125 affirmed that Mark had carefully and accurately (no mistake, no false statement) recorded Peter’s eyewitness observations and the teachings of Jesus.
-Luke only named at end of 3 epistles.
-STROBEL: Acts stops before Paul’s death, so before 62 A.D.  Luke even earlier.  Mark even earlier than that.
-STROBEL:  Mark and Luke not even among the Twelve.
-Matthew former tax collector.
-Written between 60s and 80s.  50 years or less after events.
-Much smaller gap between event and record than other histories (like the 400 year gap between Alexander the Great’s life and biographies, which no one considers to contain legend).
-STROBEL: A.D. 180 Irenaeus (Dr. McGrew:  a disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of John): “ … the Gospel has come down to us … by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures … Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect …  Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter. Luke also, the companion of Paul, recorded in a book the Gospel preached by him. Afterwards, John, the disciple of the Lord, who also had leaned upon His breast, did himself publish a Gospel during his residence at Ephesus in Asia.”    [Against Heresies  3,1,1]

2.  Literary genre:  Historical.  Luke’s prologue similar to serious histories of that time (Josephus and the Greeks:  Herodotus, Thucydides, Polybius, Lucian; Greco-Roman ‘technical prose’ or ‘scientific literature’).  Luke 1:1-4.

-Luke aware of previously written sources
-he interviewed eyewitnesses and referred to oral tradition
-he sought to show validity

3.  Authorial intent (STROBEL:  Luke 1:1-4; John 20:31).  Jewish tradition and the NT gives careful attribution of prophetic words to the prophet who uttered them.
-Eyewitness opponents still alive (not done in a corner) never objected to facts, so Christianity thrived.
-Gift of prophecy requires evaluation and conformance with prior prophecy (not alteration) 1 Cor. 14:29
-Jews’ preservation of Holocaust history doesn’t mean it didn’t happen or rule out accuracy of their methods.  Christians had every reason to get accurate facts down.  Strobel:  They had nothing to gain but criticism, ostracism, and martyrdom.  They certainly didn’t gain financially.
-STROBEL: Objection:  We can’t tell where Jesus begins and where the Christian prophets end.  Answer:  Always distinguished between Jesus and a prophet, and always tested a prophet and made sure their words cohered with Jesus’ (1 Cor 7, 14).

4.  Compositional procedures.  Jews were memorization ARTISTS.  Informal controlled oral tradition at work (and perhaps an alternative of the source Quelle, or Q—the hypothetical document Matthew and Luke may have relied upon).
-Explains similarities, and STROBEL:  why Matthew would rely on Mark, recording the eyewitness testimony of Peter.
-Tradents preserve and retell historical events, not varying in the details/message, but mixing things up a bit w/ 10-40% of the wording.
-Telephone game? Ridiculous!  “The Gospel traditions were not whispered, but publically proclaimed, not to children but to adults, in the presence of knowledgeable tradents or with apostolic checks and balances” (p.452, ibid).  See Acts 8:14-17.
-STROBEL:  Quelle (Q) includes Jesus’ mention of his miracles (Luke 7:18-23; Matthew 11:2-6).

5.  Apparent contradictions involve predictable, natural variations in story telling, like inclusion or omission of certain details determined by differing emphases.
-One does not need to choose between “error-free or it’s not reliable” or “errors all over the place, therefore not reliable”.  This is not the choice for other ancient documents.
-1. Mark 6.52 doubt? Matthew 14:33 worship?  Both; different emphases.
-2. Matthew 8:5-9 centurion ask? Luke 7:1-8 friends ask?  Both; friends represent him.
-3. Mark 5:22-23, 35 before death? Matthew 9:18 already dead?  Matt abbr.
-4. Mark 16.5 young man? Matt 28:2-3 angel? Luke 24:4 two men?  Angels are called men as well.  One man/angel is one of two.
-5. Mark 2.26 Abiathar? 1 Sam 21:1-6 Ahimelech? epi “in the passage” Abiathar, not at the time of Abiathar—ancient Judaism had several chapters in a passage, divided according to how much was read each week
-STROBEL:  Sign that it wasn’t collusion, which would be uniform, harmonized.

STROBEL:  Objection 1:  What about Mark and Luke saying that Jesus sent the demons into the swine at Gerasa, while Matthew says it was in Gadara?  Gerasa isn’t even near the Sea of Galilee.  Answer:  Khersa (in Hebrew sounding like Gerasa) has been excavated at the right point on the eastern shore of the Sea of Galilee.  Gerasa is in the province of Gadara.  Objection 2:  What about the discrepancies between the genealogies of Jesus in Matthew and Luke?  Answer: Option 1:  Matthew reflects Joseph’s lineage, Luke reflects Mary’s, and they converge at a common blood ancestor.  Option 2: Luke reflects Joseph’s human lineage, Matthew reflects Joseph’s legal lineage, and they diverge when someone did not have direct offspring, but raised up heirs through an OT legal practice.  Also:  Some names are omitted (acceptable in the ancient world) and there are textual variants that result in confusing a name for a different individual.


5 reasons for skepticism about John:

1.  More passages in John than not find no parallel in any Synoptic Gospel.

2.  John contains no parables, exorcisms, or teaching about the Kingdom (almost).
-Parables:  Jewish form not relevant in Ephesus, where John wrote. (p.460)
-Exorcisms: Viewed more as ‘magic’ in Greco-Roman world. (ibid)
-Kingdom: Replaced by eternal life, used interchangeably by Matthew (19:16, 23-24). (ibid)
3.  John fails to mention Jesus was baptized by John, or implemented the Lord’s Supper.
4.  John contains 2 chapters of ministry (2-4) before Galilean popularity (festivals, claims, conflicts, resurrection of Lazarus) (John 5-11).
5.  John’s Jesus makes claims to deity more explicitly than in the Synoptics.
-Statements were ambiguous and figurative (John 16:29) (p.461).
-Synoptics also represent high Christology in virgin birth and “I am” language (even in Mark 6:50 or 14:62). (ibid) STROBEL:  Son of Man (Dan 7:13-14).

“Interlocking” of John with the Synoptics (“undesigned coincidences“)


There are instances where John leaves a question unanswered, and one or more of the Synoptics answer it.  Not exhaustive.  (Google Tim McGrew Apologetics315.)

1. “John 3:24 refers in passing to the Baptist’s imprisonment, but only the Synoptists ever narrate that event (Mark 4:14-29 and parallels).” (458, ibid)
2.  “John knows Jesus was tried before the high priest Caiaphas (John 18:24, 28), but only the Synoptics describe this trial’s proceedings or its outcome (Mark 14:57-58).” (ibid)
3.  “But nothing elsewhere in their narratives prepares the reader for this charge.  John 2:19, on the other hand, includes Jesus’ allegation that if the Jewish leaders destroyed ‘this temple,’ he would rebuild it in three days, but it goes on to explain that he was speaking of the temple of his body, that is, an allusion to his death and resurrection.  This, however, is a saying that could easily be twisted into what the Synoptics claim the false witnesses declared.” (ibid)
4. “Why did the Jewish leaders enlist the help of the Roman governor Pilate (Mark 15:1-3 and parallels), when their law was clear enough in prescribing the death penalty—by stoning—for blasphemers?  Only John gives us the answer:  under Roman occupation the Jews were forbidden from carrying out this portion of their law (John 18:31).” (ibid)


Reasons in John pointing to authenticity: (Not exhaustive)

“Unique to John 1 is the period in which Jesus’ ministry overlaps with John the Baptist before Jesus clearly ‘outshines’ his predecessor.  But the early church is unlikely to have invented a time when John needed to ‘become less’ so that Christ could ‘become greater’ (John 3:30), as concerned as they were to exalt Jesus over everyone.” (459, ibid)
2.  “John 2 begins with the remarkable miracle of turning water into wine, yet it coheres perfectly with the little parable, regularly viewed as authentic, of new wine (Jesus’ kingdom teaching) needing new wineskins (new religious forms).
3.  John 2 highlights Jesus’ conversation with Nicodemus, a rare Jewish name that appears repeatedly in the rabbinic literature about the wealthy, powerful, Pharisaic ben-Gurion family.
4.  The story of Jesus’ surprising solicitousness for the Samaritan woman in John 4 coheres closely with his compassion for outcasts throughout the Synoptics.
5.  The distinctive synagogue homily in John 6 on Jesus as the bread of life matches perfectly with a standard rabbinical exegetical form known as a proem midrash.
6.  Jesus’ claims at the Festival of Tabernacles to be living water and the light of the world (in John 7-9) fit exactly two central rituals from that feat—a water-drawing ceremony and daily temple services with a giant candelabrum installed just for this occasion.

Resolutions to apparent contradictions between John and the Synoptics not mentioned and resolved above:

1. Mark chose to include only one visit of the adult Jesus to Jerusalem, at the Passover during which eh was crucified, which Matthew and Luke then followed.

-It would have taken more than a few months for Jesus to do all the Synoptics record.
-Jesus would have attended the annual festivals.
-John appears more consistently chronological.
-The Synoptics often group material together by theme or form, especially during Jesus’ Galilean ministry
-Because Jesus’ resurrection of Lazarus took place in Judea just before Jesus’ final journey to Jerusalem, this miracle did not fit into the outline of the Synoptics

2. John and the Synoptics contradict eachother over the day of the Last Supper.
-Synoptics describe it as a Passover meal (Mark 14:12, 14, 16)
-John (according to a misinterpretation) places it the day before the beginning of Passover festival (John 13:1, 29; 18:28; 19:14, 31)
-John 13:1 “just before Passover feast” v.29 evening meal in progress:  Passover has now arrived, rather than this evening meal being a different, earlier one.
-Judas secured “what was needed for the festival” (John 13:29) for the rest of the week.
-Some thought he was going to give something to poor because that is tranditionally done on the opening evening of Passover.
-Friday morning the Jewish leaders do not want to defile themselves for the midday meal, since sundown removes defilement for the evening meal (John 18:28)
-John 19:14 could be easily rendered “It was the day of Preparation during Passover week” (Friday, for the Jewish Sabbath, or Saturday).
-v.31 confirms the next day is the Sabbath.

Topography and Archaeology

John is the most overtly theological, but also supplies the greatest amount of geographical info. of the 4 Gospels, despite not setting out to do so (John 20:31).

1. The pool of Bethesda with its five porticoes near the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem (John 5:2)
2. The pool of Siloam in Jerusalem (John 9:7)
3.  Jacob’s well at Sychar (John 4:5-6)
4.  The paving stones of Gabbatha (John 19:13)
5.  Inscriptional evidence for Pontius Pilate (John 18:29)
6.  Evidence of Roman use of nails through the ankles for crucified victims (Luke 24:39, John 20:25).

Literary Genre

1.  Takes more liberties or artistic license than the Synoptics (John 3:13-21)
2.  More overtly theological than Synoptics, in keeping with historiographical conventions of the day.
3.  John’s work is still closer to the Synoptics than any other form of ancient writing.
4.  His form most closely mirrored relatively trustworthy biographies.
5.  There are numerous conceptual parallels with passages in the Synoptics.
6.  There is a commitment to providing trustworthy testimony (John 21:24-25)

Syncretistic Evidence

I’m not going to go into detail, but contrasting the canonical (uniquely accurate, authoritative, on par w/ the OT) Gospels with the Gnostic and apocryphal Gospels shows how the canonical Gospels are far superior historically.  Those who are suspicious of the canonical Gospels have far more reason to be suspicious of the extracanonical sources.  If you lower the bar so far that you accept the extracanonical sources, you must accept the canonical Gospels, for which the bar is set much higher.

The Gnostic Gospels

In sum, just after WWII, a cache of codices (the Gnostic Gospels) was unearthed in Egypt at a site known as Nag Hammadi.  They were written between the 2nd and 6thcenturies and contained a hybrid, syncretistic mythology, a Greek Christianity.  They reflected that matter is evil (and so were either ascetic or hedonistic), and only the spirit is redeemed, salvation is not through Jesus’ bodily death and resurrection, but through esoteric knowledge, and only those in whom the gods had implanted the divine spark could be saved.  They were anti-Semitic (against laws and the Jewish God).  Only tiny bits of narrative are found, if any, whereas the canonical Gospels closely resemble ancient historiography and biography.  Note how they chose the names of exemplary figures to be their fictitious authors, in contrast to Matthew, Mark and Luke.

Only Coptic Gospel of Thomas is likely to preserve any historical information about Jesus, but it may not.  STROBEL:  It was written A.D. 140.

The rest of the documents “are usually collections of lengthy, esoteric monologues attributed to Jesus after the resurrection in secret conversation with one or more of the disciples about the nature of heavenly beings and entities far removed from the down-to-earth practical ethics of Jesus of Nazareth. …devote almost all their attention to speculation about Jesus’ heavenly origins and relationships, the nature of humanity in its fallenness and in redemption, parallel realities between earth and heaven, and the like.” (465-466, ibid)


NOTE:  We have no record of Gnostics themselves ever proposing any of their distinctive documents for inclusion in any canon—theirs or anyone else’s.  They tried to reinterpret New Testament writings to fit their distinctives, knowing they could not undermine the canonical Gospels’ authority.  STROBEL:  The NT was authoritative before it was recognized officially as such.  None of the docs that didn’t make it in were ever authoritative in order to be officially recognized.

4 Apocryphal Gospels

1.  Infancy Gospel of Thomas—Jesus made birds of clay he gave the breath of life, and withered up a bully.
2.  Protoevangelium of James—Describes Mary’s immaculate conception (lust-free) and labor (midwives verified the hymen was left in-tact).
3.  Gospel of Nicodemus—Jesus goes to hell.
4.  Gospel of Peter—Souped up resurrection account with huge heads.

Text and Translation

5,700 (STROBEL:  5,664) handwritten Greek manuscripts of part or all of the New Testament remain in existence. 

STROBEL:  Objection:  The original manuscripts are lost and we just have copies of copies of copies.  Answer:  Having multiple copies to compare means they can be tested for variations and learn about the originals.  We have copies dating within a couple generations of the originals.  Other ancient texts have a gap of five-ten centuries between original and earliest copy.

STROBEL:  Compared to other ancient texts:
-Tacitus’ Annals of Imperial Romewritten in A.D. 116.  First six books exist in one manuscript copied about A.D. 850.  Books eleven through sixteen are in another manuscript copied in the eleventh century.  Books seven through ten are lost.
-Josephus’ The Jewish War written in the first century.  Copies written in the tenth, eleventh and twelfth centuries.  Latin translation in the fourth century, medieval Russian materials from the eleventh or twelfth century.
-Homer’s Iliad composed about 800 B.C. with fewer than 650 Greek manuscripts copied in the second and third century A.D. (thousand years!), some quite fragmentary.
-New Testament:  More than 5,664 Greek manuscripts.  Papyrus manuscripts going back to 200 A.D., a fragment of John going back to between A.D. 100 to 150.  306 uncial manuscripts going back A.D. 350.  2,856 miniscule manuscripts, emerged in roughly A.D. 800. 2,403 lectionaries of early church.

97% of the New Testament (what the original authors wrote) can be reconstructed from those manuscripts and lectionaries.

No Christian belief or doctrine depends on a textually disputed passage.  STROBEL:  Eyeglasses weren’t invented until 1373, inattentiveness, short-term memory loss as eyes scan between original and copy (write things out of sequence, but Greek is an inflected language), differences in spelling.  There are two hundred thousand variants because if a word is misspelled in two thousand manuscripts, it’s counted as two thousand variants.
-1 John 5:7-8 is not found in the earliest manuscripts, but only in about 7 or 8 copies from the fifteenth or sixteenth century.  But the doctrine of the Trinity does not depend on those two verses, as it is represented in many others.
-Any good Bible documents the significant variations in the footnotes.

Differences in translation (linguistic philosophy) still leave in tact all the fundamentals of the faith.

The Formation of the Canon

Lists of accepted books were compiled largely in response to unorthodox teachings (like those promoted by various Gnostic sects).  Again, there is no record any Gnostics ever offered up any of their books for inclusion in any canon.

STROBEL:  Objection 1:  They only decided to write things down when they realized Jesus wasn’t coming back soon, after all.  Answer:  Jews kept and recorded prophecies of the imminence of the Day of the Lord, despite their continuing history.

In A.D. 367, Bishop Athanasius of Alexandria listed the 27 books in his Easter encyclical, and “ecumenical councils in both Carthage and Hippos in North Africa at the end of the fourth century ratified this common consensus.” (p.470)

Documents in dispute that did not make it in…writings known as the Apostolic Fathers…garnered less enthusiasm than even the most “weakly supported of the letters that did ‘make it in’.” (p.471)  No one suppressed any Gnostic or apocryphal material, because no canon ever did include them, and no one ever put them forward for inclusion.  If they had, they would have failed the criteria for apostolicity (written by apostle or close associate), coherence (not contradicting previously accepted Scripture) and catholicity (widespread acceptance as relevant and normative in all major segments of early Christian community (p.471).

Miracles and the Resurrection

Other documents contain miracle narratives that don’t rule out the rest of their historical data.  For example, accounts of Julius Caesar’s crossing of the Rubicon River, et cetera, is accompanied by miraculous apparitions, along with problems of harmony and dating.  Still, classicists confidently recover substantial historical information from these accounts (p.472).  The corroborating evidence for the miracles in the Bible are stronger than for extrabiblical accounts (ones which are not accepted as genuine…although some accounts are accepted if they pass stringent criteria).

If there is any copy-catting going on, it is Christianity being copy-catted later, because pre-Christian traditions do not present close parallels to NT Gospels’ miracles. (p.473)

Five Undisputed Historical Facts
(and they are difficult to explain if resurrection didn’t happen)

1.  Jesus’ followers went from hiding in fear, to boldly proclaiming, overnight. 

2. Jews changed their beloved Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday.
3.  Women (testimony not admissible in court) were the first witnesses to the resurrection. (Principle of embarrassment.)
4. Jesus was crucified (God’s curse Deut. 21:23), and yet they proclaimed him Lord and liberator. (Principle of embarrassment again.)
5. They believed the resurrection only occurred at the end of time to everyone (Daniel 12:2), but they claimed one man was resurrected before the end.

STROBEL:  Adding to embarrassing details the Gospel authors included:
-Mark 6:5 says Jesus could do few miracles in Nazareth due to lack of faith limiting Jesus’ omnipotence.
-Mark 13:32 says Jesus didn’t know the day or hour of his return, limiting his omniscience.  (But see Philippians 2:5-8 for this one and the last one.)
-Why did a sinless Jesus need to be baptized? (answers found in OT)
-Why does Jesus ask why God has forsaken him? (answers found in OT)
-Mark’s perspective of Peter is unflattering.
-The disciples repeatedly misunderstand Jesus.
-James and John fight for high positions and have to be taught lessons.
-John ends his gospel saying the whole world couldn’t contain all the information that could be written about Jesus—so why not leave out embarrassing things to make room for other things?  But, they didn’t.  So why believe they fabricated any of it?

Theories that are alternatives to the resurrection take more faith to believe.

History provides enough support so that a spirit of trust is a natural response when presented with difficult questions or life situations.

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Groothuis’ "Christian Apologetics" ch.18: Deposed Royalty: Pascal’s Anthropological Argument

Chapter 18 of Groothuis’ Christian Apologetics is on Pascals’ anthropological argument, which can be summarized this way (a version friendly to theistic evolution)…

1.  Each human is aware, or is attempting to distract ourselves from the reality, that we are a paradox of greatness and wretchedness.  (Many examples are given as evidence.)
2.  The best explanation of this paradox is found in two biblical revelations: a) we are meant to be in the image of God (characterized by, and behaving according to, Golden Rule love), and b) our Fall from the Way we are meant to be.  (This is the abductive conclusion.)
3.  Therefore, the worldview of Christianity is worthy of respect.

Furthermore, Jesus’ incarnation/redemption is God’s ultimate demonstration of greatness, of Golden Rule love, by dying in our place.

A less wordy version, made into an inductive argument (using the abductive conclusion in the second premise), from my friend Roland McConnell, who is skeptical of theistic evolution:


1.  Man is a paradox of greatness and wretchedness.
2.  The biblical revelation of man’s creation and his subsequent fall is the best explanation of this paradox.
3.  Therefore, the biblical doctrines of creation and the fall are probably true.

What I love about this chapter is:

1.  Biblical talk of “mystery” and “foolishness” finally makes sense to me (related to #4 below).  It cannot be arrived at solely by human deduction/induction, but the revelation “is” the best explanation (abductively)…as opposed to being contrary to reason, or illogical (anti-Logos).
2.  It has a footnote that is friendly to theistic evolutionists (16).
3.  It’s talk of “diversion” (also mentioned in other parts of the book) reminds me of existentialist philosophers.

“…we are always engaged in something (the state of being engaged in something Heidegger called care–Sorge).  Sometimes this involves caring for others, but mostly it involves engaging in our own existence:  We fret, we worry, we look forward to something … We are always engaged in some part of our reality, unless we get caught up in another deeper element of human nature:  a mood, such as dread or anguish–Angst,” (422).

4.  It helped me finally understand how abductive reasoning differs from deductive and inductive.  With deductive reasoning, if the premises are true, the conclusion ‘must’ be true.  With inductive reasoning, the premises add to the weight of the conclusion’s probability.  With abductive reasoning, the conclusion best explains the premises, rather than ‘having’ to be true if the premises are true (as in deduction), and rather than being supported or made more probable by the premises (as in induction)–the abductive conclusion is not something that would be suggested by the premises alone, but which does better explain them than other rival theories.

Some other topics we discussed at our apologetics study group:
1.  Roland brought this up.  Do the scientists/philosophers who talk about “well-being” and the “science of morality” emphasize merely our greatness (as the Stoics did), merely our wretchedness (as the skeptics did), or both?  If both, do they explain the paradox better than Christianity?  My thoughts:  What perfectly well being in reality do their beliefs describe, if they deny the existence of a perfectly well being?  To what being in reality are their beliefs true?  If there is no such great being, then they would seem to emphasize our wretchedness.  But, if they think we can be no greater than we are, and that evil is an illusion (as Sam Harris gets around to saying in “The Moral Landscape“), then they would seem to over-emphasize our greatness.  Thoughts?
2.  By wretchedness, is Pascal meaning what Paul means by “the flesh”?  Does he ever come out and say that?  My friend Pam and I both had those passages popping into our minds as we read this chapter.  Roland thinks the answer is that obviously they are the same.

Thoughts on any of the above? :0)

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